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MineralMan

(148,398 posts)
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:24 PM Jan 25

I Wonder How Hegseth Is Going to Do at the Pentagon.

I mean, he's going to be in charge of an organization full of General officers. All very experienced and knowledgeable about the branches they run. Hegseth, on the other hand, really has no managerial experience of note. Not of any kind. He's going to be telling Generals what to do. The idea makes me chuckle a little when I think about it.

Now, I haven't known too many Generals. A couple, but one thing I've noticed is that they're much more used to being in command than being commanded. And by a whippersnapper mid-range officer, at that. It's going to be uncomfortable for Hegseth, I'm pretty sure. It's not going to be all that comfortable for the Generals, either. I foresee certain difficulties.

Will Hegseth puff himself up and try to dominate? Or will he allow himself to be guided by men of experience. I don't know. I suspect he doesn't know, either. Should be fascinating to watch. I can see the Generals chatting to each other, and chuckling about some dumbass thing Hegseth said. I can see that happening many, many times.

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I Wonder How Hegseth Is Going to Do at the Pentagon. (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 25 OP
His primary job ought to be facilitating communication Frasier Balzov Jan 25 #1
Yes. Sort of a "Clash of the Giants" thing, maybe. MineralMan Jan 25 #6
He'll be drunk on day one montanacowboy Jan 25 #2
Sometimes, heavy day drinkers fall out of airplanes Attilatheblond Jan 25 #3
A thousand story high airplane window? Norrrm Jan 25 #13
Good idea but.... AltairIV Jan 25 #24
Cheers,... magicarpet Jan 25 #19
Is it going too far to suppose that he will replace good officers with Magats? ananda Jan 25 #4
I don't think he can do that, though. MineralMan Jan 25 #7
Well, they've already done a lot that is illegal and unconstitutional. ananda Jan 25 #9
He probably can't find enough MAGAs at Pentagon Brass level. haele Jan 25 #29
Expect hot garbage, but it'll take a while to show up ... like a year or so. Then China can attack Taiwan uponit7771 Jan 25 #5
MIC will run the show malaise Jan 25 #8
Is the Fighter Pilot's Bar still Pouring at the Pentagon? Oneear Jan 25 #10
I don't know. I was never near the Pentagon, thank goodness. MineralMan Jan 25 #12
I don't think he'll... 2naSalit Jan 25 #11
Petey boy won't be able to lead. He will have to dictate/rule. Norrrm Jan 25 #14
Yes. He doesn't have any leadership skills, I think. MineralMan Jan 25 #15
I'm wondering where he'll hide his bottles. Vinca Jan 25 #16
But he said he'd stop drinking. MineralMan Jan 25 #17
Hogsbreath has sworn off alcohol. magicarpet Jan 25 #21
So why did he want the job? splat Jan 25 #18
All of those alpha dogs in one area. redstatebluegirl Jan 25 #20
Purge the brass starts next week... JCMach1 Jan 25 #22
Non-attribution anecdote. C0RI0LANUS Jan 25 #23
I guess it is not like the medical field where life and death are on the line with incompetency Beringia Jan 25 #25
He will have anyone who isn't loyal to the cause purged liberal N proud Jan 25 #26
He'll probably do okay, there's no closing time when it's 24/7. dem4decades Jan 25 #27
Don't fight him, just don't advise him. Let him flounder. He won't last long. Norrrm Jan 25 #28
He won't last long...... Butterflylady Jan 25 #30

Frasier Balzov

(3,806 posts)
1. His primary job ought to be facilitating communication
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:29 PM
Jan 25

between Trump and seasoned military personnel who are at all times ready and willing to resign.

MineralMan

(148,398 posts)
6. Yes. Sort of a "Clash of the Giants" thing, maybe.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:39 PM
Jan 25

But Hegseth isn't a giant at all. He's like a shift manager at the local McDonalds. All full of himself and in charge of a bunch of minimum-wage teenagers. Problem is that Hegseth is stepping into an environment where the people he has to deal with are way more experienced and not at all used to listening to orders from stupid youngsters.

It should be fun.

ananda

(31,189 posts)
9. Well, they've already done a lot that is illegal and unconstitutional.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:41 PM
Jan 25

I really expect Hegseth to make sure that all officers
are Trump loyalists.

haele

(13,841 posts)
29. He probably can't find enough MAGAs at Pentagon Brass level.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:16 PM
Jan 25

Most of them would be at the 0-3/O-4 level.
Basically, there would be perhaps 1 MAGA loyalist for every 10 Military or Senior Civilian purged, if the administration decided to go hard on the MAGA loyalty requirement. Even confirmed Christians will find themselves under the microscope.
Are there enough replacements that are competent enough to manage budgets, personnel, or strategic goals for a large organization - or even manage the outsourcing and oversight required by congress if the majority of the military is privatized?

The main problem comes from reality bias. Most senior officers cannot conceivably operate in a squadron level bubble like an O-3 can, where all one has to do is complete an objective and sit back waiting for further orders.
In the mean time, the word from up the chain is that they're going to study what orders are coming from the administration and what the implications are to efficiency in operations.

Meaning 8 months from now, there's probably going to be a draft report because it's far more important to do the work we've been funded to do. Or close to one.

uponit7771

(92,308 posts)
5. Expect hot garbage, but it'll take a while to show up ... like a year or so. Then China can attack Taiwan
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:36 PM
Jan 25

Oneear

(364 posts)
10. Is the Fighter Pilot's Bar still Pouring at the Pentagon?
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:44 PM
Jan 25

Should be able to get a recon team to link up and tell Us all About the Place

2naSalit

(94,939 posts)
11. I don't think he'll...
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:45 PM
Jan 25

Be there long. Either he'll be pressured out or meet with an unexpected end.

MineralMan

(148,398 posts)
15. Yes. He doesn't have any leadership skills, I think.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:53 PM
Jan 25

I'm pretty sure that most Generals are not good at taking orders from inexperienced junior officers. It's going to be a difficult situation for Hegseth.

MineralMan

(148,398 posts)
17. But he said he'd stop drinking.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:56 PM
Jan 25

"I can quit anytime I want," I think was what he said.

magicarpet

(17,515 posts)
21. Hogsbreath has sworn off alcohol.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:24 PM
Jan 25

He now injects fentynal with a dirty hypo directly under the bottom of his tongue. That way no needle marks for the public to see.

splat

(2,339 posts)
18. So why did he want the job?
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:14 PM
Jan 25

Walking into a den of sneering generals can't be a good gig for him.

redstatebluegirl

(12,542 posts)
20. All of those alpha dogs in one area.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:21 PM
Jan 25

Should make for an interesting thing to observe. I think the generals are going to eat him for lunch .

C0RI0LANUS

(2,699 posts)
23. Non-attribution anecdote.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 05:14 PM
Jan 25

Years ago a friend of mine was a political appointee (SES IV) at the Pentagon where I was doing a tour as a field-grade officer. He was a competent and professional official, not a political hack given a sinecure. When I went to his spacious suite, sitting in the outer office was a USAF Lieutenant-General (three bright stars) with a bunch of papers.



Stunned, I stammered out the greeting of the day. The general gave me (a US Army officer in BDUs) the once-over, courteously returned the greeting of the day, adding, "I'm just waiting for my boss." When the door opened, the general and I stood up. My friend smiled and gave me a hug, advising the USAF general "be with you in a sec, Xxxxx."

Warmly ushered into the office I noticed an ashtray on my friend's coffee table. I suggested we meet later as a three-star general was waiting for him. My friend replied not to worry because he was his boss. Nevertheless, I made an excuse to leave and we agreed to meet later. When I walked out I bade the general farewell (military courtesy) and he replied "Uh, huh."

The generals in the High Command are going to hold their noses and comply with the former Faux News TV host, misogynist, and dipsomaniac, but will be snickering behind his back at the Officer's Club, wondering how this miscreant became their "boss."




Beringia

(4,800 posts)
25. I guess it is not like the medical field where life and death are on the line with incompetency
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 05:33 PM
Jan 25

I imagine they will all be seething and not chuckling, and maybe try to sabotage him and throw in monkey wrenches

Norrrm

(204 posts)
28. Don't fight him, just don't advise him. Let him flounder. He won't last long.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 06:18 PM
Jan 25

Passive (non)resistance.

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