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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAn Episcopalian responds to Comrade Bonespur's tantrum on X
(Posted on the Episcopalians on Facebook page)
President Trump,
1. Much like those who do not want you to be president, you do not get to decide whether a bishops office is legitimate. She was chosen by the people of her diocese to be their bishop. Then, she was granted consent to be a bishop by other bishops and standing committees of our churchs dioceses. Beginning by calling her a so-called bishop is an obvious low blow to discredit her as a person, rather than what she actually said that you disagree with. The Episcopal Church was legitimate enough to hold your third wedding, the funeral of Melanias mother, and the baptism of your son, Barron. Barron also attended an Episcopal day school. Now you have an issue with how we do things when it doesnt go your way?
2. You didnt have an issue with politics being brought into the church by the ministers who spoke at your inauguration, or by yourself for that matter. They were blatantly partisan, crediting God for your political success: Mr. President, the last four years there were times I'm sure you thought it was pretty dark, but look what God has done," Graham said.
3. She wasnt nasty in tone, plain and simple. I cant remember ever hearing a homily given in such a gracious manner and calm tone. If you disagree, listen to her speak. You may disagree with what she said, but her tone was in no way nasty. Additionally, insulting her intelligence, rather than quoting what you disagreed with, is a very typical play coming from a narcissist.
4. The vast majority of people who have committed crimes in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. Defending yourself about being asked to have mercy on immigrants by saying a large number of illegal migrants came into our country and killed people is a gross misrepresentation and does not make sense. By that logic, we should be locking up or deporting all Americans because the majority of crimes were committed by citizens. We do need to improve our immigration system, but scripture commands us as Christians to have mercy. Mercy is a central tenet of our faith. Matthew 5: 7 says Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Leviticus 19: 33-34 says, When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God. If you have a take issue with this, take it up with God.
5. Saying the service was boring and uninspiring is a move to discredit the event, rather than what specifically was said. However, its worth mentioning that the purpose of a service is not to be exciting. There are several purposes for our services, such as honoring God, bringing us closer to God, and being in community with one another. Being exciting is not one of them. As far as inspiration goes, that is in the eye of the beholder. You get as much out of it as you put into it.
6. The bishop does not owe you an apology. Our church does not owe you an apology. All you were asked to do is what scripture directly asks us to do. If you could quote one thing she asked of you that isnt asked of us in scripture, we would apologize. Someone recently reminded me of something I often heard growing up in church. If you are offended by a ministers sermon or feel that it was a personal attack, look to see if you can find anything they said that was out of line with scripture and the teachings of Jesus. If you cant, that feeling is what we call, being convicted of your sin. The fact you are so offended by what was said shows you know there is truth in it. To your supporters who also feel offended by it, the same goes.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Episcopalians/posts/9103407686392877/
LakeVermilion
(1,240 posts)being convicted of your own sin
calimary
(85,035 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 24, 2025, 11:42 AM - Edit history (1)
And this:
She wasnt nasty in tone, plain and simple.
malaise
(280,158 posts)That is all
sinkingfeeling
(53,640 posts)Lulu KC
(5,823 posts)Not their thing.
Lovie777
(15,942 posts)one would be the unholy asswipe F Graham.
surfered
(4,517 posts)littlemissmartypants
(26,358 posts)My first thought was...
"Bring a dictionary to a knife fight."
I can't read the whole thing because of that thought.
canetoad
(18,458 posts)Rec and
MayReasonRule
(2,035 posts)Omnipresent
(6,605 posts)rubbersole
(8,923 posts)Omnipresent
(6,605 posts)I wouldnt put it past him, to also have that disagreement with his church as well.
calimary
(85,035 posts)Butterflylady
(4,094 posts)She wasn't his type.
Dem4life1234
(2,255 posts)Like if a woman would have somehow more leg or cleavage.
Otherwise he is spiteful to women.
Had this been a male bishop, I doubt he would be foaming like a rabid creature.
LiberalArkie
(17,004 posts)BonnieJW
(2,699 posts)I had no idea. I'm Jewish, but I always thought the Protestant Church came into existence to allow divorce. Is the Episcopal church not a Protestant church? I'm totally confused.
RainCaster
(11,841 posts)Church history
LiberalArkie
(17,004 posts)IbogaProject
(3,978 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 24, 2025, 10:44 PM - Edit history (1)
They stared from the English Catholic church. Tyndale Bible was first step then Henry VIII, grabbed all the Catholic lands and got to marry after a divorce. There are conservative scholars but overall their priests are the most liberal on average among christian denominations in America. This scholarship has lead to at least on major break back in England, the Methodist church. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methodism
The recent liberalization has caused two breakaway groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Church_in_North_America and Another in South America.
LiberalArkie
(17,004 posts)Then one of the parties has been previously married and divorced, the consent of the diocesan bishop must be obtained prior to solemnization of the marriage.
Lulu KC
(5,823 posts)LiberalArkie
(17,004 posts)Lulu KC
(5,823 posts)Rooted in Anglican tradition, but policies and procedures are very different.
LiberalArkie
(17,004 posts)We were Episcopalians. My sister was marrying a divorced man. She had to go to a Methodist church that his family belonged to get remarried.
They later divorced as he was abusive. She remarried in a Baptist church.
Ocelot II
(122,388 posts)The Episcopal church is now quite progressive on social issues, has been ordaining women for 30+ years, has many gay clergy, lots of divorced and remarried people.
markpkessinger
(8,639 posts)What is supposed to happen when a couple approaches a priest about a wedding, and one or both of them is divorced from a previous marriage, is that the priest is advised to counsel them first, to ascertain (1) that the divorced person has taken ownership of his or her role in the breakup of the previous marriage, and (2) that the divorced person is up-to-date with regard to any financial obligations (i.e., child support, alimony) to the previous spouse, prior to agreeing to perform the wedding. Whether that actually happens all the time is doubtful, but that is what is supposed to happen.
Scrivener7
(53,683 posts)the felon.
There are alternatives now.
LilElf70
(654 posts)Ty so much for the post. I hope this goes viral.
He's s sick excuse for a human being. Reading his post made me puke. AGAIN!!!!
Martin Eden
(13,722 posts)And if they did, their takeawy would be to add the writer to the enemies list.
lastlib
(25,148 posts)...CAN NOT read.
drmeow
(5,414 posts)they would not care.
Stargazer99
(3,104 posts)Half of this country is a shame to attack a worker of God. The citizens in this country see it in their face and support what looks like evil to me. If this is not corrected I fear America will be destroyed. The response of the Episcopal church lays it out very logically and anyone with a sense of honesty with self would have to agree with them
Raven123
(6,252 posts)Rejected ad hominem attacks.
Pointed out hypocrisy
Challenged Trump to identify the inconsistency between the Bishop and the Bible.
The Grand Illuminist
(1,737 posts)nt.
AllaN01Bear
(23,748 posts)GB_RN
(3,281 posts)Always keeping it classy. 🙄
Deuxcents
(20,597 posts)There are just too many haters out there capable of doing anything.
magicarpet
(17,439 posts)Docreed2003
(18,010 posts)Linda ladeewolf
(574 posts)I did listen to this particular service, it was the only part of the inauguration I did listen to. She was perfect right down to the wire. Trump is at fault, not her.
republianmushroom
(18,608 posts)Maybe Nancy will give them back if you ask really really nice, convicted felon trump.
drmeow
(5,414 posts)if Trump was a normal, functioning human being. I'm not even convinced his "Christian" Magats can read that and respond appropriately. While addressed to the Tangerine Mussolini, it really is addressed to any "real" Christians out there who blindly voted for the felon because they "don't pay attention to politics" - it might help open their eyes if they see it.
As for the appropriate response to the Orange shit stain, I be tempted to respond thus:
Awwww, did poow widdle Donnie get his widdle feewings huwt? Its OK if you need to gow sit in the cowner and suck youw thumb. The weal pwesident Ewon will still be in chawge. You can chew on the cownew of one of thos eccecuti... owdews you scwibbled on if it make you feewl bettew.
Maru Kitteh
(29,449 posts)You can literally make it be anything you want it it to be then stand behind it, using it as both shield and sword. Youre not legitimate! NO! YOURE NOT LEGITIMATE! They all accuse each other of being wrong; each and all of them backing their own positions with their favorite bits of ancient storytelling that they deem more important than the others bits of ancient storytelling.
Its all a complete charade. Even the dumbest Evangelicals know he doesnt really give a shit about religion.
IbogaProject
(3,978 posts)But her rebuttal to his attack was logically sound. He didn't argue against what she said whatsoever. She called him and his weak attack out solidly. I am biased as I grew up Episcopal.
Cha
(306,528 posts)The Truth Hurts the Felon, Rapist, Traitor to the USA.
Montauk6
(8,808 posts)tavernier
(13,342 posts)Nice letter, Padre, but save your breath to cool your soup. Big waste of time and energy. A short four word sentence would have been good enough for who its for.
Number9Dream
(1,678 posts)Why isn't the media laying an egg about his refusal to swear on a bible?
questionseverything
(10,379 posts)I dont have cable so I dont know
Number9Dream
(1,678 posts)returnee
(367 posts)Timothy Dolan, the Catholic so-called archbishop of the diocese of New York said TSF is serious about his Christian faith. Whats a radical left Trump hater supposed to think?
Uncle Joe
(60,451 posts)Thanks for the thread Malmsy
Dem4life1234
(2,255 posts)I didn't think this would blow up.
I mean knew he was just sitting there, I thought the sermon would simply go in one ear out the other and he would simply move on.
He is quite a vindictive petty manchild. I can't with four years of this bullshit.
Uncle Joe
(60,451 posts)being convicted of your sin
6. The bishop does not owe you an apology. Our church does not owe you an apology. All you were asked to do is what scripture directly asks us to do. If you could quote one thing she asked of you that isnt asked of us in scripture, we would apologize. Someone recently reminded me of something I often heard growing up in church. If you are offended by a ministers sermon or feel that it was a personal attack, look to see if you can find anything they said that was out of line with scripture and the teachings of Jesus. If you cant, that feeling is what we call, being convicted of your sin. The fact you are so offended by what was said shows you know there is truth in it. To your supporters who also feel offended by it, the same goes.
Another way to look at it is as a sign of "repressed guilt."
Google it and you get this.
(snip)
Repressed guilt is a defense mechanism that involves unconsciously blocking feelings of guilt. Repression is a coping style that can prevent people from acknowledging or feeling certain emotions.
Signs of repressed guilt
Downplaying or denying feelings of guilt
Defensiveness
Lying
Negative self-beliefs
Preoccupation with past mistakes
Regret
Worry
(snip)