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EnergizedLib

(2,326 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 02:16 PM Jan 21

I don't want to hear about his autism

I'm appalled, shocked, but can't say I'm completely surprised over the Nazi salute and the lack of ramifications there will be.

Furthermore, I don't appreciate people trying to make excuses that Elon is autistic or things along those lines.

Do you know why? Because I myself have been diagnosed as being on the spectrum, and I feel insulted and many others on the spectrum should be as well. It's not a get-out-of-jail free card.

While it's true we can't always read people, don't know social cues and aren't the greatest with interaction, I know better than to do the Nazi salute, or to insult someone over their sex, race, color, creed, religion, sexual orientation, physical and intellectual disabilities, etc. I'm guilty of having said inappropriate things in my life or how I said, sometimes knowingly, other times I didn't know or was aware until I said it, I'm in my thirties, and I would assume someone in their fifties, let alone the richest person on the planet, knows better.

Some things can be understood and excused when it comes to autistic people. If you know how to make billions, if you know how to buy companies, if you know how to buy a government, you know better than do the Nazi salute.

Furthermore, don't come up with the excuse the Romans did it first. The Nazis didn't invent the swastika, but what do we associate the swastika with? The Nazis.

Also, for my own sanity, I'm pretending President Biden is still in office, which I find to be healthier than sinking into depression and absorbing the toxicity of this insanity that is just beginning. Growing up in the 2000s, I managed to avoid most news to a tee as a kid when we had Bush, now if only I can pull it off with the felon and puppet master as an adult in a world of social media. The only reason I still use Twitter is because of my job.

But miss me with the autism excuse and that salute.

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I don't want to hear about his autism (Original Post) EnergizedLib Jan 21 OP
Most people with autism are not pure evil. Irish_Dem Jan 21 #1
Exactly EnergizedLib Jan 21 #2
Why would anyone in general think autistic people are evil. Akward at times, yes, but evil?... electric_blue68 Jan 26 #31
It is the logical response to people defending Musk's nazi salute because he is autistic. Irish_Dem Jan 27 #34
FK him MFM008 Jan 21 #3
They're the problem in this country EnergizedLib Jan 21 #4
He's a Sociopath - he is not autistic tenderfoot Jan 21 #5
A sociopath, for sure EnergizedLib Jan 21 #8
Post removed Post removed Jan 21 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 21 #10
Oh please. yardwork Jan 21 #16
Really. smh. Cha Jan 21 #17
Autism Dem4life1234 Jan 21 #7
Did he apologise when it was pointed out to him? No? Not autism then. meadowlander Jan 21 #9
Agree! My doctor thought I'm on the spectrum.. mvd Jan 21 #11
Musk does not belong in government LetMyPeopleVote Jan 21 #14
Same. Autistic. Never did a Nazi salute. Oneironaut Jan 21 #12
Musk's autism does not excuse Musk being a Nazi LetMyPeopleVote Jan 21 #13
Autistic people in Nazi Germany were killed in concentration camps, forcibly sterilised, and experimented on meadowlander Jan 21 #20
Incredibly offensive to autistic people! yardwork Jan 21 #15
He's high functioning enough that he can be held completely responsible for his actions. Crunchy Frog Jan 21 #18
He claims he's some kind of super genius. yardwork Jan 21 #19
He knew exactly what he was doing. Crunchy Frog Jan 21 #22
I doubt he has autism no matter his claims. He likely has full-blown mental illness. valleyrogue Jan 21 #21
I agree with you. EndlessWire Jan 22 #23
Germans know that Musk is a Nazi LetMyPeopleVote Jan 22 #24
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Jan 26 #25
Thank you orangecrush Jan 26 #26
Also Timewas Jan 26 #27
Wasn't Gus Walz autistic? The Unmitigated Gall Jan 26 #28
It was disgraceful EnergizedLib Jan 26 #30
Kickin Faux pas Jan 26 #29
it is an insult to autistic folk Skittles Jan 26 #32
One of my granddaughters is autistic, and higher than not on the scale. Dorothy V Jan 27 #33
I've said this before about SissySpaceX GoneOffShore Jan 27 #35

EnergizedLib

(2,326 posts)
2. Exactly
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 02:25 PM
Jan 21

He is, and his autism does not excuse it. Don’t tell me an autistic person knows no better.

electric_blue68

(19,770 posts)
31. Why would anyone in general think autistic people are evil. Akward at times, yes, but evil?...
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 11:47 PM
Jan 26

Where did that come from?

Irish_Dem

(63,019 posts)
34. It is the logical response to people defending Musk's nazi salute because he is autistic.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 07:11 AM
Jan 27

That because he is neurologically impaired he is allowed to use evil symbolism.

I have worked with many brain damaged people and not one of them was evil,
using Nazi symbols.

EnergizedLib

(2,326 posts)
4. They're the problem in this country
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 02:34 PM
Jan 21

The only people who truly won in November were the billionaires/oligarchs.

Response to EnergizedLib (Original post)

Response to Post removed (Reply #6)

Dem4life1234

(2,331 posts)
7. Autism
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 02:41 PM
Jan 21

Autism doesn't absolve a person from being an asshole. In fact, I have known many people who are autistic and are assholes.

meadowlander

(4,812 posts)
9. Did he apologise when it was pointed out to him? No? Not autism then.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 02:55 PM
Jan 21

Autism can lead you misread a situation, miss a social cue, or impulsively try to communicate something in a way that ends up misinterpreted.

How you act when it's pointed out to you how others are interpreting what you said or did is about your character, not your neurodivergence.

I'm autistic as well. It's, as you say, not an excuse not to give a shit about the impact your words and actions might have on others.

I used to work in a supermarket when I was in college and it just felt better to punch in numbers on the keyboard using my middle finger. When someone pointed out to me that it sometimes looked like I was flipping the customers off, I apologized, explained that that wasn't my intent, and stopped doing it. Easy peasy.

Most autistic people build a social programme that they run in lieu of intuitively knowing how to handle social situations. Whether or not you are willing to accept feedback and tinker with and improve your programme is generally within your control and comes down to your attitude and values, at least when we're talking about people who are verbal and not intellectually disabled.

mvd

(65,563 posts)
11. Agree! My doctor thought I'm on the spectrum..
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 03:14 PM
Jan 21

and it is certainly no excuse to be hateful or malicious like Musk is. I deal with a lot of social awkwardness and wanting to stick with people I know. Much different than Musk.

LetMyPeopleVote

(157,387 posts)
14. Musk does not belong in government
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 07:58 PM
Jan 21


There‘s only 3 possibilities. Musk...

1. Intentionally did a full Nazi salute in support of the ideology.

2. Is too mentally deficient due to autism/asperger to know better.

3. Did so “as a joke” to cause controversy.

In all scenarios, he has no business being near govt.


Oneironaut

(5,883 posts)
12. Same. Autistic. Never did a Nazi salute.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 03:23 PM
Jan 21

We know what a friggin' Nazi salute is.

Elon Musk is a piece of shit. It's a completely separate trait from his autism.

meadowlander

(4,812 posts)
20. Autistic people in Nazi Germany were killed in concentration camps, forcibly sterilised, and experimented on
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 09:05 PM
Jan 21

without their consent. There's a famous anatomical text book which is still being used where some of the illustrations were based in part on Nazi doctors experimenting on autistic kids because they didn't think they could feel pain.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49294861

Almost 250,000 disabled people were killed by the Nazis in the name of "racial hygiene" because of what were perceived to be deficient genetics and many of those people were autistic.

If Elon know, understood, or cared about the history of his condition, the last thing he would be doing would be running around doing a Nazi salute. And that last picture and caption, while I see where they are coming from, is also pretty gross for people that are aware of that context.

yardwork

(65,290 posts)
15. Incredibly offensive to autistic people!
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 08:06 PM
Jan 21

How dare anybody make that excuse. Musk knew exactly what he was doing.

Crunchy Frog

(27,257 posts)
18. He's high functioning enough that he can be held completely responsible for his actions.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 08:13 PM
Jan 21

Being as how he's managed to become the richest person in the world, and basically purchased the government of the most powerful country in the world.

Crunchy Frog

(27,257 posts)
22. He knew exactly what he was doing.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 09:13 PM
Jan 21

He just wanted to see how far he could gaslight the country.

valleyrogue

(1,521 posts)
21. I doubt he has autism no matter his claims. He likely has full-blown mental illness.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 09:10 PM
Jan 21

He is the mirror image of DJT, only younger.

EndlessWire

(7,433 posts)
23. I agree with you.
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 06:25 AM
Jan 22

I don't care what excuse he thinks will fly. He did a Nazi salute not once, but twice. The guy's a Nazi.

I read a little on how people were taught to do this salute. I also don't care about the origin of it. It's a Nazi salute. You see this salute. you recognize it as part of the most evil person on the planet at that time. If he thought he was swearing allegiance to rumpy, I got news for him. He's going to kiss his wealth goodbye. He's a full grown adult. What was interesting was how he did it once, then turned so those behind him could see him do it again. It was intentional, it was disgusting, and it wasn't funny. It wasn't a joke that no one else got.

The part about slapping his fist to his heart, is not part of the salute. Sticking your arm straight out in front of you at approximately a 45 degree angle with the hand straight out, palm facing down, is the salute. That's what he did. Twice.

No one cares? I wouldn't do business with him or anyone friendly to him. He thinks he can shrug it off? I am waiting to hear a reporter ask rumpy his opinion of it. Should be good.

Timewas

(2,368 posts)
27. Also
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 08:26 PM
Jan 26

On the spectrum here,it is no excuse for those type of actions.......Actually is not an excuse for anything..

Dorothy V

(89 posts)
33. One of my granddaughters is autistic, and higher than not on the scale.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 12:04 AM
Jan 27

Has she ever said or done anything inappropriate? Yes. But haven't we all at some point in our lives? She accepts correction. I don't think she has a malicious bone in her body. I can't imagine her doing a Nazi salute.
Musk has no excuse. None.

GoneOffShore

(17,692 posts)
35. I've said this before about SissySpaceX
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 07:17 AM
Jan 27

Adjusting Terry Pratchett:
“Just because someone's neurodivergent doesn't mean they're not a nasty, small-minded little jerk.”
― Feet of Clay

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