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usonian

(15,378 posts)
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 03:06 AM Jan 19

So "their" plan is to split the world three ways. Stump, Putin and Xi.

Financial Times, archived article
Canada, Trump and the new world orderr.
(Make that New World Odor.)

https://archive.md/XEEtx

Real short: (most of it is filler)

Focusing American power on its own hemisphere would allow Trump, in other words, to square many circles: to make America great again by making America’s imperial footprint smaller, to reduce the tax burden on the rich by cutting into the apparatus that a global imperium required.


So there it is. Give Europe to Putin, the rest of Asia (and presumably Africa) to Xi, and give most of the defense budget (and education and health care) money to the rich.

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As opposed to USONA, The United States of North America, in which the US, in accord with its founders' plan, would have two senate seats, just like the others.

At last count (https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/countries-of-north-america.html)


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So "their" plan is to split the world three ways. Stump, Putin and Xi. (Original Post) usonian Jan 19 OP
I keep saying this and get a lot of pushback. Irish_Dem Jan 19 #1
The reason you get pushback is the attitude toward Russia. yardwork Jan 19 #4
Exactly. Irish_Dem Jan 19 #5
This! Dem4life1234 Jan 19 #9
"....because he's a useful dumb puppet." yardwork Jan 19 #12
100 percent BannonsLiver Jan 19 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Dem4life1234 Jan 19 #6
Oh my God Dem4life1234 Jan 19 #7
We have learned the hard way that no one will save us, no one. Irish_Dem Jan 19 #10
Sadly Dem4life1234 Jan 19 #14
Yes, if the Judiciary had done their jobs, a ruthless psychopath criminal would have gone to jail. Irish_Dem Jan 19 #15
Maybe An Internal Resistance Baron2024 Saturday #23
This is what I'm hoping for! Dem4life1234 Saturday #24
"We have always been at war with (insert enemy here)." - The Felon/Rapist (R) BoRaGard Jan 19 #2
Forward Into the Past! Kid Berwyn Jan 19 #3
Two ways, Trump will fall out a window Johonny Jan 19 #8
So who are the Antichrist, the False Prophet, RazorbackExpat Jan 19 #11
I count four horsemen, used in every repeating use of the fascist playbook. usonian Jan 19 #13
Way too much thinking for him Strelnikov_ Jan 19 #16
Kick. People are mistaking the trees for the forest. usonian Jan 19 #17
The new Axis powers. maveric Jan 19 #18
Molotov-Ribbentrop 2.0 Crunchy Frog Jan 19 #20
"Give Europe to putin"? How does that work? WarGamer Jan 19 #21
Putin couldn't take Europe if he wanted to NickB79 Jan 19 #22
Russia will NEVER take over/take out Europe, barring destroying it via nuclear war (where they die as well). Celerity Saturday #25
Guess who has NATO secrets to give to Putin? usonian Saturday #27
Orwell had it right in "1984" Ritabert Saturday #26
"Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia" nt EX500rider Saturday #28
Since the planet is being divvied up Blue Dotty Saturday #29
Permanent war. The only way to peace. (sarcasm) Orwell must have said it. usonian Saturday #30

Irish_Dem

(62,147 posts)
1. I keep saying this and get a lot of pushback.
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 07:19 AM
Jan 19

It is perfectly obvious that Trump, Putin, Xi are dividing up the world.

Putin gets Europe and the US.
Xi gets the Pacific and Africa.
The puppet US gets North and Central America.

yardwork

(65,116 posts)
4. The reason you get pushback is the attitude toward Russia.
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 10:02 AM
Jan 19

Too many American progressives have bought into pro-Putin propaganda. We see the echoes of it here.

It's perfectly obvious to me that Putin bought Trump's election in 2016 and did it again in 2024. The reasons are obvious, too.

Irish_Dem

(62,147 posts)
5. Exactly.
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 10:15 AM
Jan 19

We are supposed to believe that two ruthless psychopaths with a lot to lose
played fair and square in the elections.

And that the billionaires also played fair.

Trump faced prison and financial ruin.
Putin faced the loss of Ukraine and his power and money.

And the billionaires knew they could become trillionaires with Trump.



Dem4life1234

(2,255 posts)
9. This!
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 10:29 AM
Jan 19

Despite the pride and so much optimism, somewhere deep down my heart, I knew this election would be a disappointment. Which was why he was acting like a clown with no home training because he knew he had it in the bag. The fix was in.

Even through 2020, he was always waiting in the shadows, looming right over us, popping his big fat mouth. He had to win this election and evil entities helped him cause he's a useful dumb puppet.

yardwork

(65,116 posts)
12. "....because he's a useful dumb puppet."
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 10:38 AM
Jan 19

That's it.

Trump stayed out of prison and they got their useful dumb puppet.

Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #1)

Irish_Dem

(62,147 posts)
10. We have learned the hard way that no one will save us, no one.
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 10:31 AM
Jan 19

All three branches of US government, and the federal and state workforce have folded.
And We The People have folded like a cheap lawn chair.
The billionaires pledge their allegiance to Trump.

Dem4life1234

(2,255 posts)
14. Sadly
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 10:52 AM
Jan 19

This would have been nipped in the bud had that cowardly justice system done its duty.

Irish_Dem

(62,147 posts)
15. Yes, if the Judiciary had done their jobs, a ruthless psychopath criminal would have gone to jail.
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 11:16 AM
Jan 19

Who is now very dangerous given his immense power and immunity from all crimes.

Baron2024

(675 posts)
23. Maybe An Internal Resistance
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:40 AM
Saturday

Maybe an internal resistance by military and law enforcement that are not loyal to Trump but rather loyal to their oaths to defend the US Constitution. Soldiers like General Milley and law enforcement like Christopher Wray. Allied with all of the Blue State Governors and all of the State Police under their command, as well as local police under the command of Democratic Mayor's. Aided and assisted by the mass of civilians opposed to Tyranny, Fascism, and a Police State. Who wants to live in a Police State? I would bet the answer is not most people. This could be the basis of a Resistance.

Dem4life1234

(2,255 posts)
24. This is what I'm hoping for!
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 11:01 AM
Saturday

Because this cannot be sustained, especially in a developed nation known for freedom and liberty.

Kid Berwyn

(18,897 posts)
3. Forward Into the Past!
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 08:31 AM
Jan 19

“The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”

― George Orwell, 1984

usonian

(15,378 posts)
13. I count four horsemen, used in every repeating use of the fascist playbook.
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 10:44 AM
Jan 19

1. So called religious leaders who sell out to politicians to gain (or recover) secular power when their calvinist message fails (since the 60’s)

2. Oligarchs who buy politicians to get the laws wired in their favor. (1)

3. Politicians, who will sell out on the cheap, and

4. The good old friend of fascism: race hatred, or other blaming of minorities to “divide and conquer”

We have a confluence of all four, a pretty exact mirror of Germany in the 30’s.



(1) https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219876755

Now, imagine you were a tycoon who is also a defense contractor that is trying to sell hundreds of billions of dollars of military equipment to the government, and you know that the procurement process requires them to go with the lowest bidder. But, since you're a dude with hundreds of billions of dollars, it doesn't seem fair that the system isn't even more rigged in your favor. How would you "fix" this system? Well, you'd have to capture procurement, so that it was rigged to only buy stuff from you and your friends, at whatever price you guys want

Strelnikov_

(7,875 posts)
16. Way too much thinking for him
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 11:37 AM
Jan 19

Also, oligarchs will have a bit of a hissy, as they make their money on the back of the empire.

Not to mention dollar as the worlds reserve currency, on and on . . .

Then again, this idea is about dumb enough to be one of his . .

usonian

(15,378 posts)
17. Kick. People are mistaking the trees for the forest.
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 06:48 PM
Jan 19

Simple plan. Axis powers.

Germany becomes Russia
Japan becomes China
Italy becomes USA. mousselini goes upside down with joy.

WarGamer

(16,071 posts)
21. "Give Europe to putin"? How does that work?
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 07:47 PM
Jan 19

Russia has ground down to a stalemate vs a less than 3rd world military in Ukraine...

Poland could single handedly march the Russian army back to Moscow.

All of NATO... puhleeze...

NickB79

(19,721 posts)
22. Putin couldn't take Europe if he wanted to
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 08:42 PM
Jan 19

Even without the US in NATO, his military couldn't defeat Poland alone, much less the rest of the Continent.

What I expect is that China will eventually start to claim some of Russian Siberia as being historically part of China proper, now that Russia's military has been decimated in Ukraine. We'll see how Russia responds to a war on two fronts.

Celerity

(47,553 posts)
25. Russia will NEVER take over/take out Europe, barring destroying it via nuclear war (where they die as well).
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 11:05 AM
Saturday

usonian

(15,378 posts)
27. Guess who has NATO secrets to give to Putin?
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 11:31 AM
Saturday

Unless Joe made some kind of arrangement ...
All NATO's workings are likely on Putin's desk already.

usonian

(15,378 posts)
30. Permanent war. The only way to peace. (sarcasm) Orwell must have said it.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 01:25 PM
Saturday

There just have to be disputes. Putin and Xi can fight this out, though Stump has some pretty permanent interests in both.

Maybe he can make "a deal". 👎
For money, tons and tons of money.
More money than you've ever seen.

Canadians will fight a U.S. invasion, that's for sure.

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