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Pluvious

(5,019 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:43 PM Jan 2025

NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte called on the alliance to prepare for a major war:

Saying, "Our future security is at stake"

What they've been saying behind closed doors is now going public.

Preparing the citizenry or presenting a posturing position to The Evil Alliance ?



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NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte called on the alliance to prepare for a major war: (Original Post) Pluvious Jan 2025 OP
It is not necessarily a posturing position. One way to avoid war is to be clear to a country making threats ... Jim__ Jan 2025 #1
Russia is allied with Iran and North Korea Arazi Jan 2025 #7
I assume trump will line up against NATO. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #2
I can't say what I just thought....so I will say this Dan Jan 2025 #5
I'm hoping you are implying that trump would be sent to the russian frontlines. erronis Jan 2025 #6
Follow up Dan Jan 2025 #8
Thanks for clarifying that for me. Unfortunately trump will be the CIC of the US armed forces erronis Jan 2025 #10
The way tsf is firing everybody who won't kiss his ass KS Toronado Jan 2025 #14
Not really BannonsLiver Jan 2025 #9
Under shithole musk the threat is real.... Lovie777 Jan 2025 #3
He is wise to take this stance with the uncertainty of where the US stand with with trump in place. brush Jan 2025 #4
Thanks. I caught the tail end of a speech Rutte gave to NATO several weeks ago. As I posted then... Hekate Jan 2025 #11
see this link NJCher Jan 2025 #25
Thx. Will check it out. Hekate Jan 2025 #26
Drumpf and Hegseth are going to be over their heads in about two weeks. Fuck 'em. Hope we all don't get killed. n/t Evolve Dammit Jan 2025 #12
I agree with you. slightlv Jan 2025 #15
Not disagreeing. Evolve Dammit Jan 2025 #20
no doubt influenced by Trump being a Putin stooge Skittles Jan 2025 #13
Prepare for war? surfered Jan 2025 #16
It's a good bet Diraven Jan 2025 #17
................. bdamomma Jan 2025 #22
Not a surprise, and yet more chilling than I'd imagined Lulu KC Jan 2025 #18
You are right to feel that way. They don't care about our country and are the true "enemy from within." n/t Evolve Dammit Jan 2025 #21
Fucking felon bdamomma Jan 2025 #23
Agreed. Not likely to change unfortunately. Evolve Dammit Jan 2025 #27
At least they're finally saying it out loud PatSeg Jan 2025 #19
Sounds like Kim, Putin, and Trump are the axis of evil struggle4progress Jan 2025 #24
I keep telling people that World War 3 has already been going on for years now Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #28
Today NATO named Admiral Giuseppe Cavo Dragone as new NATO Military Committee Chair liberalla Jan 2025 #29

Jim__

(14,746 posts)
1. It is not necessarily a posturing position. One way to avoid war is to be clear to a country making threats ...
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:59 PM
Jan 2025

... that this will lead to war. One thing is clear, Russia's military is not very strong. If Putin has any sense at all, he will try to avoid war with NATO. A clear message can make mistakes less likely.

Arazi

(7,851 posts)
7. Russia is allied with Iran and North Korea
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:16 PM
Jan 2025

I wouldn’t be so sure Russia’s allies wouldn't jump into a bigger fray. Both of those countries have already gotten increasingly involved in Ukraine

Dan

(4,704 posts)
5. I can't say what I just thought....so I will say this
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:07 PM
Jan 2025

I would be proud to see Mr. Trump line up with the Russian Forces against NATO.

I’m old but ready to return to Active Duty on the side of our traditional allies to fight our enemies.

erronis

(19,879 posts)
6. I'm hoping you are implying that trump would be sent to the russian frontlines.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:14 PM
Jan 2025

Otherwise your comment sounds quite anti-US and anti-NATO.

Dan

(4,704 posts)
8. Follow up
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:18 PM
Jan 2025

I would be proud to return to Active Duty on the side of our traditional allies;

My understanding is that NATO is based on our traditional allies and Russia is our historical enemy?

So, not sure what your thought are?

I would hope that if Trump sides with Putin that Mr. Putin would make Trump a general, cause everything that Trump touches - dies.

Plus, with bone spurs - he’s unable to fight.

erronis

(19,879 posts)
10. Thanks for clarifying that for me. Unfortunately trump will be the CIC of the US armed forces
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:27 PM
Jan 2025

and it isn't clear (at least to me) how the military will react to some possibly very harmful directives.

KS Toronado

(21,030 posts)
14. The way tsf is firing everybody who won't kiss his ass
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:52 PM
Jan 2025

I can see him telling the Pentagon to go help his buddy Putin fight Ukrainians and the upper ranks might
say "let's go" but the lower ranks will refuse most likely.

BannonsLiver

(19,165 posts)
9. Not really
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:18 PM
Jan 2025

The poster is saying he would be proud to fight with Germany, France, UK etc. (our traditional allies) against Russia, NK and Iran. A bit hyperbolic but the sentiment seems clear to me.

brush

(60,011 posts)
4. He is wise to take this stance with the uncertainty of where the US stand with with trump in place.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 04:10 PM
Jan 2025

Hekate

(97,805 posts)
11. Thanks. I caught the tail end of a speech Rutte gave to NATO several weeks ago. As I posted then...
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:34 PM
Jan 2025

…After enumerating Russia’s threat to individual European nations, Rutte closed with, “We have to put NATO on a war footing. “ It was clear to me that he was excluding America’s input — and I thought that was wise, under the circs.

Evolve Dammit

(20,679 posts)
12. Drumpf and Hegseth are going to be over their heads in about two weeks. Fuck 'em. Hope we all don't get killed. n/t
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:48 PM
Jan 2025

slightlv

(5,582 posts)
15. I agree with you.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 06:05 PM
Jan 2025

But I very much want to see Trumps treasure... Musk, thief, and the other immigrants who want to clean out our country sent to war on the front lines at the very start. We call these guys tech bros, and infer their youth... whether or not they're young. They're Trumps treasure, along with their money. I want all of Trumps treasure burned to the ground. He's going to make sure as many of us good Americans die as possible. I want to ensure the opposite.

Knowing what comes out of china's wet markets, it makes perfect sense to put Kennedy in charge of health... if you want as few Americans possible left. Easier to just steal the country that way... and take down a respected democratic family and name.

You guys have been forgiving of my words and thoughts lately, so I won't push it. I truly appreciate the good people you are and I don't want to see anyone but trump and magas suffer. But I do want them to suffer for every slur they've uttered, every life they've taken. I'll just leave it at that.

surfered

(6,987 posts)
16. Prepare for war?
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 06:20 PM
Jan 2025

Great! With Trump as Commander-in-Chief, Hegseth running the Pentagon, and Tulsi Gabbard as the new DNI and leaking our plans to Putin, we should just surrender now.

Diraven

(1,395 posts)
17. It's a good bet
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 06:21 PM
Jan 2025

That Trump will follow Putin's orders to drop all pretence after inauguration and officially announce we are joining the Evil Alliance.

Lulu KC

(8,109 posts)
18. Not a surprise, and yet more chilling than I'd imagined
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 06:26 PM
Jan 2025

I think the earliness of these things is finally getting to me. Of course, it's been going on forever, but that 1/19 truce date + a 1/16 NATO expression of this type are making me feel like the carpet is being pulled out from under us in a different way. Never have I felt this way before.

Evolve Dammit

(20,679 posts)
21. You are right to feel that way. They don't care about our country and are the true "enemy from within." n/t
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 07:24 PM
Jan 2025

bdamomma

(68,314 posts)
23. Fucking felon
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 09:15 PM
Jan 2025

We are not even the "good guys" as of Jan 20th unless something changes drastically.

PatSeg

(50,247 posts)
19. At least they're finally saying it out loud
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 06:36 PM
Jan 2025

It is too much like the leadup to the second World War.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
28. I keep telling people that World War 3 has already been going on for years now
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:52 PM
Jan 2025

It's just being fought with hackers and social media trolls and disinformation merchants and useful idiots instead of bullets and bombs...

People have written extensively about "hybrid war" and "special war" since Donnie's first term...

liberalla

(10,502 posts)
29. Today NATO named Admiral Giuseppe Cavo Dragone as new NATO Military Committee Chair
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 04:50 PM
Jan 2025

Admiral Cavo Dragone takes over from Admiral Bauer as Chair of the NATO Military Committee
17 Jan. 2025

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_232452.htm

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