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Cyrano

(15,388 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:31 PM Jan 2025

More about Rachel Maddow

If you missed it, Rachel will be on every weeknight starting next Monday, the day the felon is inaugurated, and continuing for the first hundred days of his (mis)administration. Put bluntly, she's going to 'war" with Trump and his stable full of thugs.

Rachel is not just doing another one hour cable "news" show. For all practical purposes, she is an investigative reporter. She's a modern day Woodward and Bernstein. My guess is she's at work at 6:00 am to prepare for a show that night. It's a schedule that is brutal. And once every fact is checked, every detail is double checked, and everyone she is going to mention is contacted to see if they want to say anything before she goes on the air, she must pull herself together and get in front of the camera. And she doesn't fill much time with guests. It's her, out there all alone most of the time, reading the teleprompter, most of which contains words that she herself wrote.

And, contrary to some opinions, this isn't something she's "doing for the money." That schedule, (given the depth of her reporting), is a statement that she's on a mission. And it's a formula for exhaustion, or a breakdown.

(For those who don't know, Rachel is a Rhodes Scholar, but that doesn't make what she does any easier.)

Yesterday's post on Rachel Maddow:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219906286

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More about Rachel Maddow (Original Post) Cyrano Jan 2025 OP
Doesn't she still have a partner? I hope so. CTyankee Jan 2025 #1
As far as I know, she and Susan are still together, thank goodness. ShazzieB Jan 2025 #8
Why? choie Jan 2025 #20
Becuse I hope she has someone who cherishes her, loves her and is her partner in life. CTyankee Jan 2025 #42
It just seemed like a bit of a non-sequitor. choie Jan 2025 #43
Take no prisoners, Rachel! nolabear Jan 2025 #2
Me too. Let's go Rachel. n/t iluvtennis Jan 2025 #69
if she's a modern day Woodward and Bernstein, what's her Watergate coverage exactly? What won her a Pulitzer? thebigidea Jan 2025 #3
She picks up what no one else is covering Cyrano Jan 2025 #5
Agree! yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #39
have u listened to 'bag man' and/or 'ultra'? mopinko Jan 2025 #9
My thought exactly. soldierant Jan 2025 #36
Haven't read her books, but I definitely listened to "Bagman", and "Ultra". Serious stuff. electric_blue68 Jan 2025 #47
we cant turn on everyone. mopinko Jan 2025 #49
I listen to Rachel, Lawrence, and Joy the most. electric_blue68 Jan 2025 #50
i only catch them on yt, but mopinko Jan 2025 #57
I listrn to them all via I Tune Radio at their given times. electric_blue68 Jan 2025 #58
yeah, i just started catching rachel as a podcast. they r all out there. mopinko Jan 2025 #60
I thot my reply posted 🤔 Anyway... electric_blue68 Jan 2025 #54
Sure, but that's not investigative journalism. Just expanding into the lucrative historical podcast market thebigidea Jan 2025 #71
Sources? She provides in-depth historical documentation that ties to or illuminates current events. Trust_Reality Jan 2025 #10
Yeah OP's claim is bogus. She's a very important highly intelligent commentator. She is not investigative Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #13
I LOVE her and wish I knew her personally Trueblue1968 Jan 2025 #15
You've obviously not listened to her podcasts choie Jan 2025 #21
or "Blowout." Excellent book on fossil fuel industry and footnoted out the wazoo (references). Evolve Dammit Jan 2025 #22
She's quirky, personable, 'investigates' things and we like her a lot Bonx Jan 2025 #32
Rachel has an entire staff of researchers, and they do an excellent job FakeNoose Jan 2025 #46
Will Rachel Maddow Look at this and Report Oneear Jan 2025 #4
Her primary mission is to report on TSF's first 100 days. ShazzieB Jan 2025 #12
Dozens of cities had lead levels worse than Flint and there was little coverage about it. MichMan Jan 2025 #52
And she's doing this after taking a pay cut William Seger Jan 2025 #6
She is getting 25 mil a year Woodwizard Jan 2025 #51
When Rachel Maddow talks about Ultra - her series on the pro-Nazi movement dgauss Jan 2025 #7
I hadn't heard about Sen. Hunt and how McCarthy Ilsa Jan 2025 #33
McCarthy Roy Cohn Trump TommyT139 Jan 2025 #64
McCarthy Roy Cohn Trump TommyT139 Jan 2025 #65
Rachel VGuerra276 Jan 2025 #11
I will catch her on You Tube. pwb Jan 2025 #14
We need our own network. Why don't we have one? n/t Peregrine Took Jan 2025 #30
I read months back that Soros bought about 200 radio stations, nothing since. Maybe who he's hired is carefully.... electric_blue68 Jan 2025 #48
I fear she won't reach those who need to hear her. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2025 #16
It's a Sunlight is the Best Disinfectant situation. vanlassie Jan 2025 #18
Who needs men...I nominate Suzy from Curb DaBronx Jan 2025 #23
The RW smear machine is relentless and millions lap it up. Hillary was right 30 years ago. Remember? Evolve Dammit Jan 2025 #24
NBC needs to amp up her personal security Submariner Jan 2025 #17
She's wonderful but let's also credit her staff. spooky3 Jan 2025 #19
Yes, and she gives them props. yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #40
I like Maddow. But the issue is that some people think this reporting is going to make a difference. erodriguez Jan 2025 #25
Yep, this household has not watched MSNBC or CNN since the election day. No plans to watch in the future either. beaglelover Jan 2025 #26
I've started bits and pieces from Nicolle. Wallace SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2025 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2025 #38
I don't see MSNBC and CNN as equivalent... yellow dahlia Jan 2025 #41
Maybe it will make a difference and maybe it won't but doing nothing is not an option. Deuxcents Jan 2025 #27
Watching TV is doing nothing. erodriguez Jan 2025 #28
Rachel's research and her desire to inform is what I'm referring to..watching her on tv is the means to get that info Deuxcents Jan 2025 #29
If that's all you do. Trueblue Texan Jan 2025 #55
Dont know if thats exactly true GusBob Jan 2025 #67
It might of made a difference before the election questionseverything Jan 2025 #37
It makes a difference to me. Duncan Grant Jan 2025 #44
Agreed Rikki Tikki Tumbo Jan 2025 #68
I have had some issues but ... mntleo2 Jan 2025 #31
So good to "see" you again. How are you doing? niyad Jan 2025 #61
I really like Rachel's style; her personality, her commentary, her ability to penetrate to the nitty-gritty of the thin. patphil Jan 2025 #34
She's demonstrating leadership. Duncan Grant Jan 2025 #45
Preaching to the choir MichMan Jan 2025 #53
There are a whole lot of folks doing five days a week for months or years HereForTheParty Jan 2025 #56
We need Air America Part Deux! marcopolo63 Jan 2025 #59
Great news jayschool2013 Jan 2025 #62
Rachel is very good at highlighting the work of other good people ... TomWilm Jan 2025 #63
Rachel is our Edward R. Murrow... Joinfortmill Jan 2025 #66
MSNBC is DESPERATE to get many of us back and this is how they are going to try to do it. Not happening with me. ZonkerHarris Jan 2025 #70
Thx for bringing this to our attention. Dr Maddow is an exceptional researcher & passionate presenter... Hekate Jan 2025 #72

CTyankee

(66,142 posts)
1. Doesn't she still have a partner? I hope so.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:35 PM
Jan 2025

It might be time for her to reassess and make some changes in her life.

CTyankee

(66,142 posts)
42. Becuse I hope she has someone who cherishes her, loves her and is her partner in life.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 08:37 PM
Jan 2025

Why do you ask?

choie

(5,428 posts)
43. It just seemed like a bit of a non-sequitor.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 09:46 PM
Jan 2025

specifically the part about re-assessing her life.

thebigidea

(13,496 posts)
3. if she's a modern day Woodward and Bernstein, what's her Watergate coverage exactly? What won her a Pulitzer?
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:47 PM
Jan 2025

I don't see it. She's not an investigative journalist. She doesn't have sources, she comments and has guests on that comment.

Cyrano

(15,388 posts)
5. She picks up what no one else is covering
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 04:01 PM
Jan 2025

For example, the "BridgeGate" story regarding Chris Christie. (There are many other instances like that.)

She doesn't rely on "The news of the day."

It's not really that hard to see the difference between her reporting and that of all others. She's a true "Journalist" in every sense of the word.

electric_blue68

(21,307 posts)
47. Haven't read her books, but I definitely listened to "Bagman", and "Ultra". Serious stuff.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 12:02 AM
Jan 2025

mopinko

(72,490 posts)
57. i only catch them on yt, but
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 09:46 AM
Jan 2025

i start my day w the full lawrence audio. i catch a couple other bits. rachel, maybe nicole. maybe psaki.
i like joy, but she raises my blood pressure w/o much new info.

electric_blue68

(21,307 posts)
54. I thot my reply posted 🤔 Anyway...
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 09:35 AM
Jan 2025

I listen to Rachel, Lawrence, Joy & Jen the most.

Pay attention to a lot of Dems.

Oh, now I see my original post. Wth? 🤔😄

thebigidea

(13,496 posts)
71. Sure, but that's not investigative journalism. Just expanding into the lucrative historical podcast market
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 04:28 PM
Jan 2025

Behind the Bastards isn't investigative journalism either, just a high quality podcast. It doesn't mean these podcasts are somehow "lesser," they just aren't what Woodward and Bernstein did to dig at the truth.

Investigative journalism is fucking expensive. Very few outlets want to give their reporters lead time, leeway, and the budget to pursue leads for long periods of time. Instead we report what "both sides" say and throw in a few pundits to comment. It's cheaper, it's faster, it helps feed the content machine, it doesn't require as much wrangling and fact-checking or legal department scrutiny.

What Rachel Maddow does is valuable and of course has tons of fans on the left. People shouldn't take it as a personal attack that no, what she does doesn't fall under the definition of investigative journalism for the most part. It's commentary. Her research department is great at providing context and background information on issues, but they aren't pounding the pavement and meeting Deep Throat in a parking garage to break massive stories.

Rachel doesn't hang around the White House for months doing interviews on background with everyone she can, she can't afford to do stuff like that with her schedule and her work. Yes, Woodward is a pompous blowhard who still can't pronounce "reporter" correctly, but he still does that kind of thing because they give him the time and budget to do it. Which results in people pissed he saves shit for the books! But again, investigative journalism is expensive and slow! Woodward's books require WAY more expensive legal advice than something like Ultra. So I can see why his reliable bestseller status is needed for him to keep in the game.

Trust_Reality

(2,174 posts)
10. Sources? She provides in-depth historical documentation that ties to or illuminates current events.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 04:36 PM
Jan 2025

She is one of the most informative reporter/journalist/educators I have ever seen on TV.

Bernardo de La Paz

(55,474 posts)
13. Yeah OP's claim is bogus. She's a very important highly intelligent commentator. She is not investigative
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 04:50 PM
Jan 2025

Was going to post your point. Kudos for being first!

choie

(5,428 posts)
21. You've obviously not listened to her podcasts
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:28 PM
Jan 2025

Bagman and Ultra nor read her book Prequel.

Evolve Dammit

(20,576 posts)
22. or "Blowout." Excellent book on fossil fuel industry and footnoted out the wazoo (references).
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:34 PM
Jan 2025

FakeNoose

(37,311 posts)
46. Rachel has an entire staff of researchers, and they do an excellent job
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:00 PM
Jan 2025

The days of rogue reporters like Woodward & Bernstein are over, my friend.

Oneear

(431 posts)
4. Will Rachel Maddow Look at this and Report
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:50 PM
Jan 2025

Date Line Cape Girardeau, Missouri, has a Story to tell. Back Story: 95% of the Galvanized Pipe is Dipped in Zinc EPA.org lead. The city manager, mayor, and council know of this but are unable to address it because they do not have the time. Grant Money for Removing Lead Pipes can receive funds for this work. semissourian.com Gray Media KFVS-TV talks about this. In 2024, we had at least 46 water leaks.

ShazzieB

(20,587 posts)
12. Her primary mission is to report on TSF's first 100 days.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 04:49 PM
Jan 2025

I mean, who knows what she will cover; she did a fantastic job of calling attention to the water situation in Flint, MI a few years ago. But I'm sure Trump will be her primary focus, from what we've been told.

I'm sorry to hear Cape Girardeau is having such terrible problems. I don't understand how the city manager, mayor, and council don't have "time" to address it or why that would not be one of their highest priorities, if not the very highest. What a frustrating situarion.

MichMan

(15,087 posts)
52. Dozens of cities had lead levels worse than Flint and there was little coverage about it.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 09:08 AM
Jan 2025

Woodwizard

(1,172 posts)
51. She is getting 25 mil a year
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 09:00 AM
Jan 2025

Was 30 and you can bet it will go up with the chaotic gold mine going in office. She has a bit of motivation I believe...

dgauss

(1,315 posts)
7. When Rachel Maddow talks about Ultra - her series on the pro-Nazi movement
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 04:18 PM
Jan 2025

that tried to overthrow the government before WWII, she mentions the people that stood up to that. She seems genuinely impressed and inspired by all those people, often just ordinary citizens that took a lot of risks. Lots of untold stories of people who stepped up and put a lot on the line to do the right thing.

I had the thought that her research into that part of the story in that period of time may have inspired her to also step up and do whatever she can this time around. I have a feeling she'll be pretty fearless.

Ilsa

(62,761 posts)
33. I hadn't heard about Sen. Hunt and how McCarthy
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 06:26 PM
Jan 2025

pushed him to suicide. There is a very special place in Hell for Joe McCarthy and anyone who assisted him.

TommyT139

(1,380 posts)
64. McCarthy Roy Cohn Trump
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 12:49 PM
Jan 2025

Rachel laid out the history of how Roy Cohn was chief investigator for the Communist "witch hunt." I couldn't believe that all this history was, basically, shadow banned.

Made me realize that we are not so far from those horrible times -- not far in the past, and not far in the future.

TommyT139

(1,380 posts)
65. McCarthy Roy Cohn Trump
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 12:50 PM
Jan 2025

Rachel laid out the history of how Roy Cohn was chief investigator for the Communist "witch hunt." I couldn't believe that all this history was, basically, shadow banned.

Made me realize that we are not so far from those horrible times -- not far in the past, and not far in the future.

VGuerra276

(59 posts)
11. Rachel
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 04:44 PM
Jan 2025

She's such an important voice for Democracy and for progressives. Is there a parallel between dems losing so badly and Rachel (TRMS) going to one night a week?

pwb

(12,257 posts)
14. I will catch her on You Tube.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 04:50 PM
Jan 2025

Nothing can get me to watch any cable news ever again.

electric_blue68

(21,307 posts)
48. I read months back that Soros bought about 200 radio stations, nothing since. Maybe who he's hired is carefully....
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 12:08 AM
Jan 2025

assembling a modest network to launch.

🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,058 posts)
16. I fear she won't reach those who need to hear her.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:01 PM
Jan 2025

She has a very strong reputation that will discount her message.

Who if anyone is the antitrump? It was probably John McCain. Romney gave it a go. The Lincoln Project failed in the end. Is there a male voice who could carry her message to the misogynists we want to get the word.

Evolve Dammit

(20,576 posts)
24. The RW smear machine is relentless and millions lap it up. Hillary was right 30 years ago. Remember?
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:36 PM
Jan 2025

Submariner

(12,981 posts)
17. NBC needs to amp up her personal security
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:04 PM
Jan 2025

she should always have a detail nearby. She is too tempting a target for some sicko Dimentia Don maggot looking for a maga glory moment.

spooky3

(37,451 posts)
19. She's wonderful but let's also credit her staff.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:17 PM
Jan 2025

She has a group of people working under her guidance who do a lot of work skillfully.

yellow dahlia

(2,364 posts)
40. Yes, and she gives them props.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 07:57 PM
Jan 2025

And some of them have moved into a more visible status, like Lisa Rubin.

erodriguez

(868 posts)
25. I like Maddow. But the issue is that some people think this reporting is going to make a difference.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:45 PM
Jan 2025

It's not.

MSNBC has been bleeding watchers since the election. They are going to go back to Maddow 5 nights a week. Which she had previously done when she was a rising star.

Really it's not a big deal

beaglelover

(4,260 posts)
26. Yep, this household has not watched MSNBC or CNN since the election day. No plans to watch in the future either.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:47 PM
Jan 2025

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,058 posts)
35. I've started bits and pieces from Nicolle. Wallace
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 06:39 PM
Jan 2025

Just now she had on Adam Schiff and showed some of his Pam Bondi questioning. The arrogant retribution, while denying truth, is going to be harrowing. And democrats apparently are in a state of denial. Schiff himself will likely be a target and he is not up to the dirty level of politics coming.

Response to beaglelover (Reply #26)

Deuxcents

(22,125 posts)
29. Rachel's research and her desire to inform is what I'm referring to..watching her on tv is the means to get that info
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 06:17 PM
Jan 2025

Trueblue Texan

(3,325 posts)
55. If that's all you do.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 09:42 AM
Jan 2025

Staying informed so you can do the right, most effective, thing is important.

GusBob

(7,899 posts)
67. Dont know if thats exactly true
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 01:36 PM
Jan 2025

Folks will wait holding their breath for the TV show to come, popcorn and remote ready

That will that "turn on RM right now!" thing and discuss the topic du jour.

If she takes a night off teeth will be gnashed. If she takes 2 nights in a row off, its 911 time

And all sorts of magic things will happen

so thats something, I guess

Duncan Grant

(8,698 posts)
44. It makes a difference to me.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 09:56 PM
Jan 2025

I’m looking for as much intelligent resistance as I can get — for however long I can get it.

(Many of us should be stepping forward in our families and communities. When queer people started coming out, it created a movement. Liberals and progressives should do likewise, imho.)

68. Agreed
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:03 PM
Jan 2025

Rachel coming back to 5 nights a week has everything to do with ratings and nothing to do with her personal vendetta against TFG.

mntleo2

(2,589 posts)
31. I have had some issues but ...
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 06:20 PM
Jan 2025

...I repect her superior credentials and her Ultra and podcasts have been excellent

Cat in Seattle

patphil

(7,791 posts)
34. I really like Rachel's style; her personality, her commentary, her ability to penetrate to the nitty-gritty of the thin.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 06:37 PM
Jan 2025

I know she has a staff that is responsibility for a lot of this, but her delivery is always spot on.
I'm glad she'll be with us in these first 100 days of the Trumpian dystopia.
Basically, I/we need her to help us through this. So many in the media are caving in to the threats coming from Republicans in general, and Trump in particular.
Individually we are pretty powerless, but together we can be a force to be reckoned with.
She can help us rally to the flag, so to speak.

Duncan Grant

(8,698 posts)
45. She's demonstrating leadership.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 09:59 PM
Jan 2025

I hope the opposition party will be as intelligent and brave.

HereForTheParty

(887 posts)
56. There are a whole lot of folks doing five days a week for months or years
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 09:46 AM
Jan 2025

for less than $25 million. She's done good work but let's not pretend it's a herculean effort.

marcopolo63

(74 posts)
59. We need Air America Part Deux!
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 09:58 AM
Jan 2025

It’s going to take more than an hour of Rachel’s excellent investigative reporting to uncover all the bullshit, grifting and corruption this new government will inflict on the United States!

jayschool2013

(2,584 posts)
62. Great news
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 11:23 AM
Jan 2025

However, Rachel has a team of investigative reporters and fact-checkers, producers and others at her disposal.

Woodward and Bernstein, with the backing of Katherine Graham and Ben Bradlee, were pretty much lone wolves from 1972-1974, helped, of course, by Mark "Deep Throat" Felt.

TomWilm

(1,903 posts)
63. Rachel is very good at highlighting the work of other good people ...
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 12:16 PM
Jan 2025

... she is a clever teller of those stories, gives them credit and adds her own quirky angles. But is most fun, when she won't let a suppressed story go away - which also can be her problem. Even though she has a good eye, and a lot of hidden helpers behind her, she has also spent way too much time on misfires like Trump's tax-returns, Michael Avenatti and Alfa Bank...

 

ZonkerHarris

(25,577 posts)
70. MSNBC is DESPERATE to get many of us back and this is how they are going to try to do it. Not happening with me.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:12 PM
Jan 2025

All cable and network news is dead to me after the 2024 election coverage.
They all suck.
The rest of you can enjoy the Ozempic commercials.

Hekate

(97,549 posts)
72. Thx for bringing this to our attention. Dr Maddow is an exceptional researcher & passionate presenter...
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 04:45 PM
Jan 2025

She has proven her credentials time and again, with in-depth reporting, many deep-dive podcast series, and book after book.

Yes she has a staff, but from the way she used to talk when she first started at MSNBC, in the beginning it was a small number of interns. They are pros by now. They don’t “feed” her what to say — she directs them in their research, and she has the in-depth knowledge to know if they know what they are saying.

If she had pursued academia, she would have been the kind of professor who knew when a student was blowing smoke, and she would have been the kind that demanded top-notch work. And would have demanded top-notch work from herself, every day.

The quality shows in her chosen career.

As for her salary, it’s negotiated, not “given. “ The corporate bigwigs would not have yielded unless they thought she was worth it. It’s not coming out of your pocket or mine, and as an older woman, I’m just tickled that Rachel is making as much as a man in a similar position.

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