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malaise

(282,428 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:23 AM Jan 16

Either the masses turn against the kakistocracy

or it will be what it will be.
Sadly wealth and power appear way more important to too many folks than democracy.

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Either the masses turn against the kakistocracy (Original Post) malaise Jan 16 OP
Agreed sunflowerseed Jan 16 #1
I don't know how you convince the willfully ignorant to spooky3 Jan 16 #2
Teach them to read, at least part of the battle. SheltieLover Jan 16 #3
They will have to learn the hard way malaise Jan 16 #9
Those are my sentiments. I know some don't like to hear it, but sometimes experience is the best teacher tulipsandroses Jan 16 #12
The masses don't even know what a kakistocracy is Blue_Tires Jan 16 #4
The reality is that Americans voted out their democracy. Irish_Dem Jan 16 #5
And that is the real tragedy. CrispyQ Jan 16 #21
It is like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Irish_Dem Jan 16 #23
21st Century Feudalism. That's what Thom Hartman called it. CrispyQ Jan 16 #6
That's what I have been... 2naSalit Jan 16 #19
As you so often do - werdna Jan 16 #7
From 1776 Easterncedar Jan 16 #8
And not just in the USA malaise Jan 16 #11
yes indeed. William769 Jan 16 #10
Money inequality is at historically unsustainable levels Bernardo de La Paz Jan 16 #13
Trump supporters have yet to see how they're on the losing end of the deal. patphil Jan 16 #14
Oh, I don't know orangecrush Jan 16 #15
The red hats of the 🍑💩🤡 are like the brown shirts in Nazi Germany kimbutgar Jan 16 #16
We need the MAGAs. Especially if President Musk did indeed figure out a way to hack the election machines. Because if LaMouffette Jan 16 #17
No we don't atreides1 Jan 16 #29
At this point in time Magoo48 Jan 16 #18
Yes. ancianita Jan 16 #20
Funny you should ask SARose Jan 16 #22
Looks like face eating leopards are going to be very busy. LisaL Jan 16 #25
W H Auden answered the issue for me bronxiteforever Jan 16 #24
you want the masses, ditch loser words like "kakistrocracy" and "stochastic" thebigidea Jan 16 #26
The Ballot or the Bullet. Dan Jan 16 #27
The masses are hopelessly stupid. Basso8vb Jan 16 #28

spooky3

(37,265 posts)
2. I don't know how you convince the willfully ignorant to
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:31 AM
Jan 16

Turn off their reality tv and read or watch Rachel et al.

SheltieLover

(65,727 posts)
3. Teach them to read, at least part of the battle.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:50 AM
Jan 16

Parents will likely resist as if their kids can read, that would make them woke elitists.

tulipsandroses

(7,095 posts)
12. Those are my sentiments. I know some don't like to hear it, but sometimes experience is the best teacher
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 11:21 AM
Jan 16

An analogy I've been using - Dems are like the good guy that a girl likes to keep as her "friend", while she continuously dates the bad boy that lies, cheats, and treats her like shit. Then she runs to the good guy friend to soothe her after they break up. Then as soon as the bad boy comes back promising the moon and stars, there she goes again.

Yes we will all suffer through this, but perhaps Dems should not be so quick to try to save everyone from the pain this administration is about to unleash. Let them see what they voted for.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
4. The masses don't even know what a kakistocracy is
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:53 AM
Jan 16

All they know is Donnie is a billionaire celebrity which means he must be smarter and better than everyone else when it comes to fiscal matters 🙄

Irish_Dem

(67,179 posts)
5. The reality is that Americans voted out their democracy.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:55 AM
Jan 16

The majority of voters voted to do so or didn't even care enough to vote.

CrispyQ

(39,367 posts)
21. And that is the real tragedy.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 01:14 PM
Jan 16

That's what kept many of us from joining with some of our family over the holidays. The entire Republican Party has embraced the absolute worst traits of humanity & shunned the best. They are lockstep in their cruelty. I'm dumbfounded that so many people who have always seemed decent & caring, don't see that or just don't care. Withholding aid from fire victims cuz you don't like their politics? WTF is going on? I feel like they've been taken over by something alien.

Irish_Dem

(67,179 posts)
23. It is like Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 01:33 PM
Jan 16

Most people have been taken over by pure evil.

CrispyQ

(39,367 posts)
6. 21st Century Feudalism. That's what Thom Hartman called it.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 11:00 AM
Jan 16

There's the ruling class, the merchant class, & the peasants. Oh & the clergy, to scare us all into staying in line.

werdna

(997 posts)
7. As you so often do -
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 11:01 AM
Jan 16

- with your political observations, you've hit the nail right on the head and driven the point deep. It amazes me to see how many millions of people deny the truth playing out before their very eyes. Until the middle classes feel their lives and livelihoods are actually being threatened or imposed upon, nothing is going to alter the kakistocracy's momentum. Shut down turn off MSM and institute campaign reforms, we have a shadow of a chance. Thank you once again, Malaise.

Easterncedar

(4,141 posts)
8. From 1776
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 11:03 AM
Jan 16

“They would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor, and that is why they will follow us, to the Right!”

50 frigging years after the song was written.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,870 posts)
13. Money inequality is at historically unsustainable levels
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 11:48 AM
Jan 16

It can be fixed by legislated reforms and regulations, or it can overturned by revolution.

Choose wisely, oligarchs. Revolution is not your friend.

patphil

(7,600 posts)
14. Trump supporters have yet to see how they're on the losing end of the deal.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 11:53 AM
Jan 16

I think it will take 1-2 years for some of them to figure it out; many will never get it.
It all depends on their ability to endure financial and social pain. The whole anti-woke movement is predicated on maintaining an ignorant populace. If the illusions regarding how things will be under Trump break, it's going to be a hard time for Republicans. If they doesn't, it's going to be a hard time for Democrats.
Either way, chaos and pain will be a large part of the American Way for the foreseeable future.

orangecrush

(23,962 posts)
15. Oh, I don't know
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 11:58 AM
Jan 16

The movements in the 1930's that led to the mass unionization of industry and the New Deal were largely born out of the misery of the depression.

You don't have to be a Rachel to know you're living in a Hooverville, starving to death, dying from a preventable disease because you have no healthcare, and the economy has tanked.

Even MAGATs aren't that stupid.

kimbutgar

(24,670 posts)
16. The red hats of the 🍑💩🤡 are like the brown shirts in Nazi Germany
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:21 PM
Jan 16

And there is nothing you can tell them to change their minds. The only way is for them to experience horrendous things and of course the 🍑💩🤡 will blame the Democrats who aren’t even going to be in power. And when the 🍑💩🤡 gets us into a war and the incels get drafted then we shall see!

Just see how they can blaming my Governor Newsom for a natural disaster that was not in his control. Mother Nature doesn’t care about political parties.

LaMouffette

(2,480 posts)
17. We need the MAGAs. Especially if President Musk did indeed figure out a way to hack the election machines. Because if
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:35 PM
Jan 16

that is the case, then we are NOT going to take back the House and Senate in 2026 and we will NEVER win another presidential election.

The MAGA voters hold all the power right now. They are the only thing the GOP fears. They could give two shits about what we Democrats think. And they own the Supreme Court.

We need the MAGAs. We need to open their eyes and get them to turn on Trump. But . . . how???

atreides1

(16,597 posts)
29. No we don't
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 01:55 PM
Jan 16

MAGAs are the results of the Tea Party, White Supremacists, and Christian Nationalists...they believe in a White Christian nation!

Even if Christ were to appear and admonish them for being misled, they would crucify him again!

You can't open the eyes those who wish to remain intentionally blind!


Magoo48

(6,141 posts)
18. At this point in time
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:36 PM
Jan 16

because of our lack of vigilance for the past few decades, it is all on us now. No one can do it for us, and blaming anyone else is pointless.

ancianita

(40,215 posts)
20. Yes.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 01:11 PM
Jan 16

Because wealth and power die with their owners. The hopeful masses live on to continue the fight against concentrated wealth and power.
It might not be when we want but it nevertheless will be.

SARose

(1,293 posts)
22. Funny you should ask
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 01:30 PM
Jan 16

'I don't think anyone voted for that': Trump's own fans bracing for 'catastrophic' cuts

Educators and families in areas where Donald Trump's "America First" place seemed to resonate the most could be hit with "catastrophic" cuts.

Tom Gambrel, the superintendent of Bell County, Kentucky, schools, joined most of his neighbors and cast his vote for Trump with his students in mind, but he told CNN that he hopes the president-elect doesn't carry through with his plan to cut federal education funding.

“I don’t think that anyone in our county wants to cut our school funding," Gambrel said, "and I don’t think that anyone voted for that."

Gambrel said the proposed cuts would be “catastrophic," forcing teacher layoffs, packing more students into classrooms and getting less attention for vulnerable students.

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The article goes on to say

A CNN analysis found that all 15 of the states that rely most heavily on federal support for public schools in 2022 backed Trump in November, while all but two of the 15 that receive the fewest federal dollars as a percentage of their overall revenue supported Kamala Harris.


So let’s see

Educators didn’t vote for the abolishment of Title I
Big Ag didn’t vote for their employees to be deported
Construction didn’t vote for see above
Big oil didn’t vote for see above
Restaurant industry didn’t vote for see above.

Who did?




LisaL

(47,157 posts)
25. Looks like face eating leopards are going to be very busy.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 01:35 PM
Jan 16

What did the superintendent who voted for Trump think was going to happen? How did he think Trump was going to give the rich their tax cuts?

bronxiteforever

(10,239 posts)
24. W H Auden answered the issue for me
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 01:33 PM
Jan 16

in his poem entitled “sept 1, 1939”.


There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone…
We must love one another or die.

Defenceless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.

Jimmy Carter and others showed us the way. All we have to do is to listen.

thebigidea

(13,489 posts)
26. you want the masses, ditch loser words like "kakistrocracy" and "stochastic"
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 01:41 PM
Jan 16

Speak the English of the masses if you want the masses to hear your message. Using words that have to be defined to the average person is such a loser of a strategy.

Put it in terms they can relate to. Defending norms ain't it. They simply don't give two fucks.

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