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malaise

(279,580 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 09:23 AM 23 hrs ago

Either the masses turn against the kakistocracy

or it will be what it will be.
Sadly wealth and power appear way more important to too many folks than democracy.

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Either the masses turn against the kakistocracy (Original Post) malaise 23 hrs ago OP
Agreed sunflowerseed 23 hrs ago #1
I don't know how you convince the willfully ignorant to spooky3 23 hrs ago #2
Teach them to read, at least part of the battle. SheltieLover 23 hrs ago #3
They will have to learn the hard way malaise 22 hrs ago #9
Those are my sentiments. I know some don't like to hear it, but sometimes experience is the best teacher tulipsandroses 22 hrs ago #12
The masses don't even know what a kakistocracy is Blue_Tires 23 hrs ago #4
The reality is that Americans voted out their democracy. Irish_Dem 23 hrs ago #5
And that is the real tragedy. CrispyQ 20 hrs ago #21
It is like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #23
21st Century Feudalism. That's what Thom Hartman called it. CrispyQ 22 hrs ago #6
That's what I have been... 2naSalit 20 hrs ago #19
As you so often do - werdna 22 hrs ago #7
From 1776 Easterncedar 22 hrs ago #8
And not just in the USA malaise 22 hrs ago #11
yes indeed. William769 22 hrs ago #10
Money inequality is at historically unsustainable levels Bernardo de La Paz 22 hrs ago #13
Trump supporters have yet to see how they're on the losing end of the deal. patphil 22 hrs ago #14
Oh, I don't know orangecrush 21 hrs ago #15
The red hats of the 🍑💩🤡 are like the brown shirts in Nazi Germany kimbutgar 21 hrs ago #16
We need the MAGAs. Especially if President Musk did indeed figure out a way to hack the election machines. Because if LaMouffette 21 hrs ago #17
No we don't atreides1 20 hrs ago #29
At this point in time Magoo48 21 hrs ago #18
Yes. ancianita 20 hrs ago #20
Funny you should ask SARose 20 hrs ago #22
Looks like face eating leopards are going to be very busy. LisaL 20 hrs ago #25
W H Auden answered the issue for me bronxiteforever 20 hrs ago #24
you want the masses, ditch loser words like "kakistrocracy" and "stochastic" thebigidea 20 hrs ago #26
The Ballot or the Bullet. Dan 20 hrs ago #27
The masses are hopelessly stupid. Basso8vb 20 hrs ago #28

spooky3

(36,606 posts)
2. I don't know how you convince the willfully ignorant to
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 09:31 AM
23 hrs ago

Turn off their reality tv and read or watch Rachel et al.

SheltieLover

(60,789 posts)
3. Teach them to read, at least part of the battle.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 09:50 AM
23 hrs ago

Parents will likely resist as if their kids can read, that would make them woke elitists.

tulipsandroses

(6,345 posts)
12. Those are my sentiments. I know some don't like to hear it, but sometimes experience is the best teacher
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:21 AM
22 hrs ago

An analogy I've been using - Dems are like the good guy that a girl likes to keep as her "friend", while she continuously dates the bad boy that lies, cheats, and treats her like shit. Then she runs to the good guy friend to soothe her after they break up. Then as soon as the bad boy comes back promising the moon and stars, there she goes again.

Yes we will all suffer through this, but perhaps Dems should not be so quick to try to save everyone from the pain this administration is about to unleash. Let them see what they voted for.

Blue_Tires

(57,315 posts)
4. The masses don't even know what a kakistocracy is
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 09:53 AM
23 hrs ago

All they know is Donnie is a billionaire celebrity which means he must be smarter and better than everyone else when it comes to fiscal matters 🙄

Irish_Dem

(61,041 posts)
5. The reality is that Americans voted out their democracy.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 09:55 AM
23 hrs ago

The majority of voters voted to do so or didn't even care enough to vote.

CrispyQ

(38,745 posts)
21. And that is the real tragedy.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:14 PM
20 hrs ago

That's what kept many of us from joining with some of our family over the holidays. The entire Republican Party has embraced the absolute worst traits of humanity & shunned the best. They are lockstep in their cruelty. I'm dumbfounded that so many people who have always seemed decent & caring, don't see that or just don't care. Withholding aid from fire victims cuz you don't like their politics? WTF is going on? I feel like they've been taken over by something alien.

Irish_Dem

(61,041 posts)
23. It is like Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:33 PM
20 hrs ago

Most people have been taken over by pure evil.

CrispyQ

(38,745 posts)
6. 21st Century Feudalism. That's what Thom Hartman called it.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:00 AM
22 hrs ago

There's the ruling class, the merchant class, & the peasants. Oh & the clergy, to scare us all into staying in line.

werdna

(943 posts)
7. As you so often do -
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:01 AM
22 hrs ago

- with your political observations, you've hit the nail right on the head and driven the point deep. It amazes me to see how many millions of people deny the truth playing out before their very eyes. Until the middle classes feel their lives and livelihoods are actually being threatened or imposed upon, nothing is going to alter the kakistocracy's momentum. Shut down turn off MSM and institute campaign reforms, we have a shadow of a chance. Thank you once again, Malaise.

Easterncedar

(3,700 posts)
8. From 1776
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:03 AM
22 hrs ago

“They would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor, and that is why they will follow us, to the Right!”

50 frigging years after the song was written.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,820 posts)
13. Money inequality is at historically unsustainable levels
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:48 AM
22 hrs ago

It can be fixed by legislated reforms and regulations, or it can overturned by revolution.

Choose wisely, oligarchs. Revolution is not your friend.

patphil

(7,219 posts)
14. Trump supporters have yet to see how they're on the losing end of the deal.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:53 AM
22 hrs ago

I think it will take 1-2 years for some of them to figure it out; many will never get it.
It all depends on their ability to endure financial and social pain. The whole anti-woke movement is predicated on maintaining an ignorant populace. If the illusions regarding how things will be under Trump break, it's going to be a hard time for Republicans. If they doesn't, it's going to be a hard time for Democrats.
Either way, chaos and pain will be a large part of the American Way for the foreseeable future.

orangecrush

(22,303 posts)
15. Oh, I don't know
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:58 AM
21 hrs ago

The movements in the 1930's that led to the mass unionization of industry and the New Deal were largely born out of the misery of the depression.

You don't have to be a Rachel to know you're living in a Hooverville, starving to death, dying from a preventable disease because you have no healthcare, and the economy has tanked.

Even MAGATs aren't that stupid.

kimbutgar

(23,813 posts)
16. The red hats of the 🍑💩🤡 are like the brown shirts in Nazi Germany
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 11:21 AM
21 hrs ago

And there is nothing you can tell them to change their minds. The only way is for them to experience horrendous things and of course the 🍑💩🤡 will blame the Democrats who aren’t even going to be in power. And when the 🍑💩🤡 gets us into a war and the incels get drafted then we shall see!

Just see how they can blaming my Governor Newsom for a natural disaster that was not in his control. Mother Nature doesn’t care about political parties.

LaMouffette

(2,322 posts)
17. We need the MAGAs. Especially if President Musk did indeed figure out a way to hack the election machines. Because if
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 11:35 AM
21 hrs ago

that is the case, then we are NOT going to take back the House and Senate in 2026 and we will NEVER win another presidential election.

The MAGA voters hold all the power right now. They are the only thing the GOP fears. They could give two shits about what we Democrats think. And they own the Supreme Court.

We need the MAGAs. We need to open their eyes and get them to turn on Trump. But . . . how???

atreides1

(16,453 posts)
29. No we don't
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:55 PM
20 hrs ago

MAGAs are the results of the Tea Party, White Supremacists, and Christian Nationalists...they believe in a White Christian nation!

Even if Christ were to appear and admonish them for being misled, they would crucify him again!

You can't open the eyes those who wish to remain intentionally blind!


Magoo48

(5,648 posts)
18. At this point in time
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 11:36 AM
21 hrs ago

because of our lack of vigilance for the past few decades, it is all on us now. No one can do it for us, and blaming anyone else is pointless.

ancianita

(39,080 posts)
20. Yes.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:11 PM
20 hrs ago

Because wealth and power die with their owners. The hopeful masses live on to continue the fight against concentrated wealth and power.
It might not be when we want but it nevertheless will be.

SARose

(988 posts)
22. Funny you should ask
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:30 PM
20 hrs ago

'I don't think anyone voted for that': Trump's own fans bracing for 'catastrophic' cuts

Educators and families in areas where Donald Trump's "America First" place seemed to resonate the most could be hit with "catastrophic" cuts.

Tom Gambrel, the superintendent of Bell County, Kentucky, schools, joined most of his neighbors and cast his vote for Trump with his students in mind, but he told CNN that he hopes the president-elect doesn't carry through with his plan to cut federal education funding.

“I don’t think that anyone in our county wants to cut our school funding," Gambrel said, "and I don’t think that anyone voted for that."

Gambrel said the proposed cuts would be “catastrophic," forcing teacher layoffs, packing more students into classrooms and getting less attention for vulnerable students.

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The article goes on to say

A CNN analysis found that all 15 of the states that rely most heavily on federal support for public schools in 2022 backed Trump in November, while all but two of the 15 that receive the fewest federal dollars as a percentage of their overall revenue supported Kamala Harris.


So let’s see

Educators didn’t vote for the abolishment of Title I
Big Ag didn’t vote for their employees to be deported
Construction didn’t vote for see above
Big oil didn’t vote for see above
Restaurant industry didn’t vote for see above.

Who did?




LisaL

(46,814 posts)
25. Looks like face eating leopards are going to be very busy.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:35 PM
20 hrs ago

What did the superintendent who voted for Trump think was going to happen? How did he think Trump was going to give the rich their tax cuts?

bronxiteforever

(9,648 posts)
24. W H Auden answered the issue for me
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:33 PM
20 hrs ago

in his poem entitled “sept 1, 1939”.


There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone…
We must love one another or die.

Defenceless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.

Jimmy Carter and others showed us the way. All we have to do is to listen.

thebigidea

(13,413 posts)
26. you want the masses, ditch loser words like "kakistrocracy" and "stochastic"
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:41 PM
20 hrs ago

Speak the English of the masses if you want the masses to hear your message. Using words that have to be defined to the average person is such a loser of a strategy.

Put it in terms they can relate to. Defending norms ain't it. They simply don't give two fucks.

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