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William769

(58,204 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:38 AM Jan 16

Has the assimilation already begun?

California's Newsom will join GOP governors in raising flag for Trump inauguration

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Democratic California Gov. Gavin Newsom will join Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson and some GOP governors around the country in directing U.S. flags be raised to full height on Inauguration Day.

Newsom’s spokesperson Izzy Gardon confirmed Wednesday that the governor would temporarily direct the raising of flags at the state Capitol in Sacramento for President-elect Donald Trump’s inauguration. Flags at the U.S. Capitol and at statehouses around the country have been lowered to half-staff in honor of the late former President Jimmy Carter.

Newsom, who has become a foil for Trump over the years, will need federal help as his state recovers from devastating wildfires that have killed more than two dozen people.

Trump has complained about American flags being flown at half-staff during his inauguration. “Nobody wants to see this, and no American can be happy about it,” he posted on his social media platform.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/california-s-newsom-will-join-gop-governors-in-raising-flag-for-trump-inauguration/ar-AA1xhaAt?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=f7fa41208eec43228a0af9e5e189bcbc&ei=164

I am at a loss on this.
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Has the assimilation already begun? (Original Post) William769 Jan 16 OP
No idea, but he may just be avoiding an 'unnessary' issue, elleng Jan 16 #1
I know he's busy with important things. William769 Jan 16 #2
I agree DeepWinter Jan 16 #22
Sickening SheltieLover Jan 16 #3
BINGO! William769 Jan 16 #5
Well when bdamomma Jan 16 #23
I can't even. sheshe2 Jan 16 #4
I'm right there with you. William769 Jan 16 #6
I am going to head to bed and cry myself to sleep. sheshe2 Jan 16 #7
Love you too! William769 Jan 16 #8
I met girl who sang the blues, and I asked her for some happy news Shrek Jan 16 #20
at least he didnt make a special trip to mara lago like another dem did nt msongs Jan 16 #9
All in due time. Wuddles440 Jan 16 #33
If it helps expedite much needed resources to help ease the suffering in these communities... EarthFirst Jan 16 #10
Exactly. Newsom is doing it for California, not for Trump. SunSeeker Jan 16 #11
I guess I'm old school William769 Jan 16 #13
Well of course it's awful. No governor should have to debase himself for disaster aid. SunSeeker Jan 16 #19
The virtuous preservation of your dignity would Maru Kitteh Jan 16 #45
Ok, you want to play that card, let's play. William769 Jan 16 #46
It's called politics. It's his job. betsuni Jan 16 #12
what evidence is there that it's not? William769 Jan 16 #14
We haven't done it here in Delaware. Walleye Jan 16 #16
Obtuseness? BannonsLiver Jan 16 #42
The tech industrial complex is headquartered in California. BadgerMom Jan 16 #15
This will only cause more of us to turn away. nt RandiFan1290 Jan 16 #17
Good question. William769 Jan 16 #18
What's the endgame for this appeasement? Hugin Jan 16 #24
I don't believe there is an endgame for this appeasement William769 Jan 16 #25
My working hypothesis is that what we're witnessing... Hugin Jan 16 #26
Sickening malaise Jan 16 #21
Trump kicked up this ridiculous flag at half-staff fuss just to assuage his fragile male ego. sop Jan 16 #27
heil Hitler. Why do you ask? Irish_Dem Jan 16 #28
He understands that we have to pick our battles, and this is not the hill to die on ms liberty Jan 16 #29
Resistance is Futile HAB911 Jan 16 #30
Looks like some in this thread have been assimilated. William769 Jan 16 #32
Yeah it does HAB911 Jan 16 #34
Bend the Knee to Trump, Kid Berwyn Jan 16 #31
yeah it sucks but honestly this is about thing 10,000 on the list on 10,001 things to worry about next week Takket Jan 16 #35
Your answer is the reason Democratic leaders should not capitulate. William769 Jan 16 #37
It's awful - but Newsom knows what a little prick Trump can be harumph Jan 16 #36
A bully is a bully is a bully. William769 Jan 16 #38
M'Eh ProfessorGAC Jan 16 #39
Sorry you feel that way. William769 Jan 16 #40
Hmmmm ProfessorGAC Jan 16 #44
It's blatantly obvious this is being done to help secure aid for CA BannonsLiver Jan 16 #41
Go figure. William769 Jan 16 #43
Jesus fucking christ choie Jan 16 #47

elleng

(139,033 posts)
1. No idea, but he may just be avoiding an 'unnessary' issue,
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:41 AM
Jan 16

as he's busy with important things.



Been wondering about his appeal to We the People as Potus.

William769

(58,204 posts)
2. I know he's busy with important things.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:47 AM
Jan 16

But apparently found time to do this? Makes no sense.

 

DeepWinter

(931 posts)
22. I agree
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 08:21 AM
Jan 16

It's 1 day, it's a Presidential Inauguration, and knowing Jimmy Carter, I don't think he would care in the slightest.

Just not something worth fighting over.

SheltieLover

(65,731 posts)
3. Sickening
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:51 AM
Jan 16

But the good news is President Carter doesn't care.

Wtf would even think of the flags being at half-staff?

Imagine the screaming & pearl clutching if a repuke were to die & a Dem Pres. Elect were to insist on this...

William769

(58,204 posts)
5. BINGO!
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:54 AM
Jan 16

"Imagine the screaming & pearl clutching if a repuke were to die & a Dem Pres. Elect were to insist on this..."

William769

(58,204 posts)
6. I'm right there with you.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:58 AM
Jan 16

"“A long, long time ago, I can still remember, How that music used to make me smile, And I knew if I had my chance, That I could make those people dance, And maybe they’d be happy for a while.”"

sheshe2

(90,983 posts)
7. I am going to head to bed and cry myself to sleep.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 04:06 AM
Jan 16

I just can't deal with it anymore.
Love you.

Shrek

(4,249 posts)
20. I met girl who sang the blues, and I asked her for some happy news
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 07:44 AM
Jan 16

But she just smiled and turned away.

Wuddles440

(1,671 posts)
33. All in due time.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:02 AM
Jan 16

I'm sure he's making plans for such a pilgrimage to kiss the King's ass.

EarthFirst

(3,580 posts)
10. If it helps expedite much needed resources to help ease the suffering in these communities...
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 04:22 AM
Jan 16

…I’m certain that’s what Carter would have preferred.

He was selfless.

I’m positive he would recognize the distinction between the rock and a hard place and the giant FU that other Republicans are creating here.

SunSeeker

(55,322 posts)
11. Exactly. Newsom is doing it for California, not for Trump.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 04:57 AM
Jan 16

This is not Newsom's first rodeo. He's playing Trump to get California fire relief money. It's the same reason Zelensky met with Trump. It's the same reason Putin compliments Trump. If you need something from Trump, playing him is pretty easy and doesn't cost much, except maybe your dignity.

William769

(58,204 posts)
13. I guess I'm old school
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:22 AM
Jan 16

I'm nothing without my dignity & respect.

I would be curious to know what people thought of this when it was only republicans doing it.

SunSeeker

(55,322 posts)
19. Well of course it's awful. No governor should have to debase himself for disaster aid.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 07:41 AM
Jan 16

It's the horror show we are living in until we get a Dem in the White House again.

Maru Kitteh

(29,886 posts)
45. The virtuous preservation of your dignity would
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:22 PM
Jan 16

Likely offer little comfort to those thousands of families who do not know how they will feed and house their children in the coming months.

When you are truly working to serve the people, it’s not really about you.

William769

(58,204 posts)
46. Ok, you want to play that card, let's play.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:42 PM
Jan 16

With the new administration Likely offer little comfort to those millions of families who do not know how they will feed and house their children in the coming months.

The virtuous preservation of my dignity is knowing that it's also the preservation of their dignity.

The new administration is going to do what they have already promised to do & capitulating isn't going to change a damn thing.

betsuni

(27,693 posts)
12. It's called politics. It's his job.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:00 AM
Jan 16

Why assume the motivation is "assimilation" -- what evidence is there of that?

Walleye

(39,229 posts)
16. We haven't done it here in Delaware.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 06:31 AM
Jan 16

I hope nobody gets to our governor. The new guy is kind of a bro, I think not sure

BadgerMom

(3,171 posts)
15. The tech industrial complex is headquartered in California.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 05:50 AM
Jan 16

I fear Newsom is as beholden to them as many other California and national pols are. It makes my stomach sink, just as Schiff’s June abandonment of Biden did, just as my Senator Heinrich’s did. If the wealthy tech bros want something, they get it. I wonder if they aren’t pulling strings. No matter, I now consider Newsom untrustworthy.

America’s bought and sold.

William769

(58,204 posts)
18. Good question.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 07:34 AM
Jan 16

After thinking about this for the past couple of hours I have gone from bewilderment to being pissed off!

How many times are we going to be asked to grin & bare it before we say enough!
Having principle's used to mean something.

Hugin

(35,959 posts)
24. What's the endgame for this appeasement?
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 08:28 AM
Jan 16

Is there one? Are these things being done simply to shut up the Buffoon-Who-Won’t-Go-Away?

If I could see some strategy for it I might not mind. However, if the Governor of the State of California is waving the white flag, what little I can do to resist seems insignificant and futile. Self-destructive in a word.

This is close to being the straw for this camel.

William769

(58,204 posts)
25. I don't believe there is an endgame for this appeasement
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 08:39 AM
Jan 16

I'm just tired that some of our elected officials of not having a spine.

Don't get me wrong, I have loved this guy since he was Mayor of San Francisco (a City BTW that has stood for something since Harvey Milk without backing down). I believe he just fell down that slippery slope head first.

If California falls, so does the nation. Is that hyperbole? Only time will tell.

Hugin

(35,959 posts)
26. My working hypothesis is that what we're witnessing...
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 08:55 AM
Jan 16

Is yet another effect of the huge gap in understanding the stakes between the top few and the rest of us.

To them two years or even four years, is no big deal. They are going all-in on Trump being gone in that span. They individually have the resources to weather the chaos or at least they believe they do. They can last until whatever appears next.

I and millions like me, simply don’t. Depending on the breaks, I probably won’t last a year. So, will I be there having their backs in ‘26 or ‘28? As the magic eight ball says, it’s not looking promising.

Some spit and fire on their part would go a long way toward making it worth staying engaged. Otherwise, the message is YOYO. (You’re On Your Own) Once that switch is thrown, there’s no going back.

sop

(13,400 posts)
27. Trump kicked up this ridiculous flag at half-staff fuss just to assuage his fragile male ego.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 08:56 AM
Jan 16

ms liberty

(10,111 posts)
29. He understands that we have to pick our battles, and this is not the hill to die on
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 09:27 AM
Jan 16

We have to survive for at least 2 years, and win an election to survive 2 more years and then win that election.
This is a one day thing that will cost Cali nothing. I would bet that Newsom has calculated his personal cost against the benefits his state needs, and concluded it's worth taking a hit from the purists who want him to be a kneejerking opposition leader. He still has a state to run.

HAB911

(9,552 posts)
34. Yeah it does
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:08 AM
Jan 16

personally, me and Nathan Hale feel "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country", and since I just dodged the agent orange bullet with early detection, I ain't being assimilated. I'll go out the airlock first, after causing some good trouble

Takket

(22,928 posts)
35. yeah it sucks but honestly this is about thing 10,000 on the list on 10,001 things to worry about next week
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:24 AM
Jan 16

99% of Americans have no idea where the flag is supposed to be or that it is being moved for the inauguration. and where the flag is has absolutely 0 influence or the horrors to come.

harumph

(2,619 posts)
36. It's awful - but Newsom knows what a little prick Trump can be
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:28 AM
Jan 16

and he knows that he'll get more and less strings attached federal aid (probably) by doing this. This is where we're at people - a purely transactional political landscape. OTH, Trump may stiff him anyway. In that case, I guess he was punked.

William769

(58,204 posts)
38. A bully is a bully is a bully.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:58 AM
Jan 16

That's it in a nutshell. Those spots will not change.

Looks like he's not the only one punked.

ProfessorGAC

(72,149 posts)
39. M'Eh
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 11:02 AM
Jan 16

As much as I loathe the man-baby getting his way:
Newsom has some big fish to fry, can't afford conflict, and as much as I liked Carter, the half-staff thing is, IMO, mere symbolism.
They can just lower the flag the next day.

William769

(58,204 posts)
40. Sorry you feel that way.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 11:06 AM
Jan 16

Symbolism is all we have right now and into the foreseeable future.

ProfessorGAC

(72,149 posts)
44. Hmmmm
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 02:58 PM
Jan 16

In a thread you started about assimilation, you are claiming all that is left is symbolism.
That seems a lot like the assimilation you're accusing others of succumbing to.
Curious.

BannonsLiver

(19,025 posts)
41. It's blatantly obvious this is being done to help secure aid for CA
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:23 PM
Jan 16

I’m not sure why anyone would be at a loss, or blame him, which is a DU tradition.

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