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ck4829

(36,247 posts)
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 05:32 PM Wednesday

You know... I think I understand why Democrats lost now

I have seen blaming this person, people throwing out detailed analyses, this group did X, that group did not enough of Y, etc.

But let me lay it out in simple terms I think everyone can grasp:

The political system is essentially one party is expected to have explosive diarrhea and have it EVERYWHERE and the other party is supposed to mop it up and the other party criticized is for not cleaning it up fast enough because party #1 is still having exploding diarrhea everywhere.

* This is murc's Law

* This is why Obama was supposed to resign for 11 people being treated for Ebola vs Trump and his disastrous handling of COVID.

* This is bailing out Republicans.

And what is 2026 going to be about? Cleaning up Republican diarrhea, right? You know I'm right.

And guess what? It's the "way it is". It's just the way things are. Somebody read the above and can't wait to reply with "Oh well, what can you do about it?" So let me just stop you right there.

We saw exactly what people were doing about it... people are getting disengaged. Disinterested.

Tuning out. Washing their hands clean of the diarrhea and walking away.

And I'll be honest... if I was less political, so would I.

There is a solution to this, and it's not left or center... but it is radical. We need to start going after the legitimacy, authority, human resources, skills, intangible factors, material resources, and sanctions of the Republican Party.

I'm done cleaning up Republican diarrhea though.

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You know... I think I understand why Democrats lost now (Original Post) ck4829 Wednesday OP
It's really clear there were a lot of bigoted racist sexist creeps that would not vote for a woman, let alone a WOC PortTack Wednesday #1
I think it was H2O Man Wednesday #11
The GOP has completely lost their way RainCaster Wednesday #2
Explosive diarrhea combined with the spread of lies in our media groundloop Wednesday #3
The things thar spoil it for me (US governance in general): Aussie105 Wednesday #4
Biden trashed over Afghanistan, Hillary over Benghazi Skittles Wednesday #5
jake crapper's foaming at the mouth outrage against President Biden because of that, caused me to BLOCK CNN from JohnSJ Wednesday #8
Yes, apropos of your highlighted text, I've seen a cartoon of a donkey cleaning up after an elephant. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #6
Well said. The problem is, and it is going to get much worse, is the MSM will do the framing of the issues, and it JohnSJ Wednesday #7
I think your last sentence is why we lose. Progressives have given up. TomCADem Wednesday #9
Difference being VBNMW Yesterday #14
As I Said, Progressives Look for Scapegoats to Blame Their Inaction TomCADem Yesterday #15
No rewards for being "the adult in the room" Bluetus Wednesday #10
Anyone who voted for Trump is a fuckwit or a sociopath. No exceptions. hunter Wednesday #12
You Guv polls just came out with a poll on this womanofthehills Wednesday #13
Part of it was "Over Confidence". republianmushroom Yesterday #16
A great post. NNadir 21 hrs ago #17

PortTack

(34,982 posts)
1. It's really clear there were a lot of bigoted racist sexist creeps that would not vote for a woman, let alone a WOC
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 06:59 PM
Wednesday

H2O Man

(75,957 posts)
11. I think it was
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 08:29 PM
Wednesday

either the prophet Elijah or maybe a Dave Clark Five song that said, "You will have sexist, racist swine in American politics always." It's been true for as long as I have been alive, I can tell you. They were pretty much the majority when I was younger (so much younger than today). But they haven't been in decades, and alone do not have the power to determine the outcome of a presidential election. I suspect that the author of the OP is suggesting that we consider why other groups did not vote for VP Harris, if they voted at all.

RainCaster

(11,760 posts)
2. The GOP has completely lost their way
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 07:21 PM
Wednesday

Once upon a time we had two real parties in this country. They challenged each other and made each other better in some ways, not so much in others. Now we have only one party because the GOP has become the Party Of Whatever Trump Wants. They are no longer a party that means anything else.

Party of Law & Order? Not when you promote a felon to the White House.

Party of Fiscal Responsibility? Too many decades of handing tax break to the wealthy did that one in.

Party of Family Values? Not when you promote rapists to run our country.

The GOP has broken this country completely. Trump should have been convicted within a year of leaving office, but that didn't happen because there are too many Republicans in power in all the places that matter. SCOTUS, FBI, DOJ, Commerce, etc. It will take decades to clean up this mess and it will require a complete rethinking of how government should be formed and run. Is the DNC up to it? I have my doubts.

groundloop

(12,432 posts)
3. Explosive diarrhea combined with the spread of lies in our media
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 07:29 PM
Wednesday

I've been saying essentially the same thing for years (although your analogy is much more dramatic). Throw in a good measure of lie spreading on the "news" and social media and we have the recipe for what just happened.

Aussie105

(6,553 posts)
4. The things thar spoil it for me (US governance in general):
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 07:31 PM
Wednesday

King like executive orders (like pardons) from a POTUS that overrule legal considerations.

A legal system that often can't be bothered for political reasons.

A Supreme Court that is supposed to be impartial politically, but isn't.

A Constitution that is more a pick-and-choose which parts you think are important to your cause, and which bits can be ignored.

And the old chestnuts: the Electoral College and gerrymandering.

(Does living far away from America give me a clearer insight than locals?)

South Korea does it better - leader is naughty, leader gets arrested promptly.





Skittles

(160,770 posts)
5. Biden trashed over Afghanistan, Hillary over Benghazi
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 07:46 PM
Wednesday

meanwhile, repukes started both Afghanistan and Iraq wars which ultimately accomplished NOTHING but cost many lives and so much money

and remember who ultimately got Bin Laden? that doesn't count either

JohnSJ

(96,955 posts)
8. jake crapper's foaming at the mouth outrage against President Biden because of that, caused me to BLOCK CNN from
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 08:05 PM
Wednesday

coming into my house.

It was the most unprofessional disgraceful vomit that I had seen coming from that piss ant.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,822 posts)
6. Yes, apropos of your highlighted text, I've seen a cartoon of a donkey cleaning up after an elephant. . . . nt
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 08:02 PM
Wednesday

JohnSJ

(96,955 posts)
7. Well said. The problem is, and it is going to get much worse, is the MSM will do the framing of the issues, and it
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 08:03 PM
Wednesday

won't be honest.

TomCADem

(17,783 posts)
9. I think your last sentence is why we lose. Progressives have given up.
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 08:28 PM
Wednesday

Working for a small nonprofit, you have to occasionally take contracts to a local government board for approval. It is amazing how even after winning the election, MAGA right wingers religiously attend these small board meetings to bash programs designed to help immigrants, expand voter education, or promote DEI.

Progressives have given up and instead hide out in bubbles like this board and scape goat the media, the establishment, etc., while MAGA types do not just stay in their right wing bubble, but are quite willing to spread their views outside of their bubble.

The 2024 election was still close notwithstanding the fact that Trump won, but if you based who won on who tends to show up at local government meetings, you would think that 90 percent of people believe in MAGA.

Again, go to a school board or local government meeting and there is a good chance you will see a small number of MAGA types who will happily use any item referencing help to immigrants, DEI or voting as an invitation to push right wing talking points. While they are wrong, they unfortunately are not content to keep their ignorance to themselves are very aggressive about spreading their racist views at the grassroots local level.

VBNMW

(61 posts)
14. Difference being
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:37 AM
Yesterday

One party supports and amplifies their base, while the other actively scorns, mocks, and allows open hostility towards theirs in the hopes of picking up some “good” republicans.

After a campaign of demoralizing your base, there’s no wonder they find it hard to show up to vote. The grassroots level also includes anti war protests. We need those young and politically active people’s votes. Instead there were vilified and brutally attacked and called terrorist. Not a strategy for winning.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

TomCADem

(17,783 posts)
15. As I Said, Progressives Look for Scapegoats to Blame Their Inaction
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:51 AM
Yesterday

We scapegoat media, the establishment, the parties to blame for why progressives hide out and keep silent in forums like this to preach to the choir. We have trained ourselves to be powerless. For a party that professes to believe in grassroots, it is surprising how we keep on asking for some topdown approach.

It is not like Mitch McConnell or Trump are spending the morning in a school board. And the MAGA types are also heckling Republicans on the Board if they are inclined to vote for anything that deviates from hard right myth.

Progressive self deception as an excuse for our inaction is the reason why we will lose. Watching this board as folks proudly talk about how they avoid MAGA types and scapegoat the media, establishment, corporations, etc., but neglect to even show up at a local school board to confront the ignorance that is being pushed at a grassroots level roots level. We want someone to hold our hand and do it for us.

Bluetus

(407 posts)
10. No rewards for being "the adult in the room"
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 08:28 PM
Wednesday

50 years of playing the patsy has created the alignment you described.

We have to be willing to let Republicans fail, even if it hurts decent people.

hunter

(39,126 posts)
12. Anyone who voted for Trump is a fuckwit or a sociopath. No exceptions.
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 09:01 PM
Wednesday

We are a nation of fuckwits and sociopaths. Trump represents the fuckwits and sociopaths perfecftly as he is both a fuckwit and a sociopath.

womanofthehills

(9,404 posts)
13. You Guv polls just came out with a poll on this
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 09:17 PM
Wednesday

It wasn’t so much they voted for Trump but poll said 19,000 people who voted for Biden 4 yrs ago didn’t vote for Kamala for different reasons but Gaza was a biggie for the young.

republianmushroom

(18,459 posts)
16. Part of it was "Over Confidence".
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 12:26 PM
Yesterday

And they wee warned that over confidence could happen, but, it was denied.

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