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California contributes 83 billion more dollars to the federal govt. than they receive. In fact, Los Angeles County alone contributes more to the federal govt. than all but 4 other states combined.
Yet the welfare (red) states who take more than they contribute are trying to put conditions on aid to their benefactor, California! It's insane!
Good for Joy. Now the Dems need to start screaming about this.
Frank D. Lincoln
(738 posts)Republican hypocrisy knows no limits.
senseandsensibility
(20,516 posts)That's why I can't understand why Dems aren't pounding this. Welcome to DU by the way!
Frank D. Lincoln
(738 posts)Volaris
(10,684 posts)And tell Speaker Mike 'it's cool, we don't need you to do anything for us, and we'll just call it even.'
MichMan
(13,784 posts)California does not send a big state check to the Federal government every week.
Just how would a California be able to intercept all the income tax withholding and FICA payments from individual taxpayers when it is sent directly by their employers to the US Treasury ?
So, employees would have their taxes withheld from their paychecks by their employer, but instead of it going to the US Treasury, the state government would seize it first? What happens when the employee then faces Federal charges for non payment of taxes, or underfunding their own Social Security and Medicare, even though the money was withheld?
lastlib
(25,074 posts)...how much their people send to Uncle Sam. I'm sure you've seen a Form W-2; it has a bunch of info like that. They also get tax returns that tell them how much people pay in federal taxes, because that's crucial to determining people's state taxes. A lot of that info is shared with other states. So they know.
MichMan
(13,784 posts)Farmer-Rick
(11,587 posts)A corporation got for bringing jobs to the US, was the ability to retain their employees' tax withholdings and not forward them to the treasury
It was an effort to reduce paperwork. So that the corporation didn't forward the funds to the treasury then the treasury turns around and sends it back to the corporation. It was still reported to the IRS, so the employee got credited.
Also Feds and State tax agencies corporate in collecting debts from individuals through tax withholding refunds.
Those are a couple of ways where withholdings are intercepted. But yeah, the federal government would have to cooperate to stop those funds from going to the federal treasury. I don't think they can be stopped by the state without some serious problems.
Traildogbob
(10,313 posts)State takes the most, pays the least and is the most illiterate state. True welfare state. With tons of disaster relief needed annually.
bdamomma
(66,950 posts)OFF!!!!!!!!!! Cut off RED STATES
Bread and Circuses
(325 posts)Mike Johnson holding CA relief aid hostage!
Mike Johnson holding CA relief aid hostage!
California's GDP is about 14% of national GDP, followed by Texas - 9% New York- 8%.
California's economy ranks fifth in the world!
Republicans are rooting for California to fail and drag the county into financial ruin and chaos!
#AllRoadsLeadToPutin
These are your Christians , wanting America to great NOPE!
Theyre all seditious conspirators.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/article_e34d8610-d1f7-11ef-92d1-2f97b75fa12c.html
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,822 posts)Martin68
(24,822 posts)representatives they keep voting for. Perhaps blues states should withhold funds for their own use rather than contribute to red state insolvency and lack of support further own citizens in health care, education, and services.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,441 posts)withhold those funds?
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,822 posts)Ilsa
(62,353 posts)and thst it's time for other states to carry some of the burden for awhile. IRS receipts from CA are going to be extremely lower for awhile with so many unable to work or open businesses.
boonecreek
(351 posts)The red states are simply leeching off the blues states.
a kennedy
(32,503 posts)boonecreek
(351 posts)OrangeJoe
(444 posts)Unfortunately the past 10 years have seen an assault on truth. Go ahead and show your data & studies to MAGAs. Assuming they can actually read and process the information they would just dismiss it as fake news.
BigmanPigman
(52,468 posts)you learn very quickly how ignorant and hateful residents in other states feel about CA (no pity only "CA deserves it" posts). They have been conned by their lying leaders and media and it makes me puke!
boonecreek
(351 posts)They contribute more to the economy than any U.S. state.
Yet the Repukes would have us believe that they're the ones
causing the the price of eggs problem.
Scrivener7
(53,496 posts)doesn't seem to match the charts for "Federal dependency."
New York is ranked 15th state in Federal dependency in the list, but in both charts about Federal dependency, New York has the lowest or nearly lowest Federal dependency.
Can anyone tell me what I'm missing?
boonecreek
(351 posts)This could be due to a high number of federal jobs.
However, the state resident's dependency ranking
is 47 which means New Yorkers are sending far more
to Washington than they're getting back. I hope this helps.
Scrivener7
(53,496 posts)least dependent and in the other it appears to be among the three least dependent on the government.
boonecreek
(351 posts)but without actual revenue numbers it's difficult
to make sense of. Suffice to say, New York like
all the blue states sends far more than it receives.
JadedButHopeful
(18 posts)That's what blue states should be pushing.
Only thing you should have to pay is your state tax.
We then contribute to Military, Social Security, and Medicare on a fixed per person basis, regardless of state.
Let's see how red staters like that approach.
MichMan
(13,784 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(10,732 posts)roamer65
(37,252 posts)iemanja
(55,074 posts)To subsidize the red state welfare queens no longer get to deduct them, thanks to the Trump tax increases.
MichMan
(13,784 posts)iemanja
(55,074 posts)Is greater than we receive from the federal govt, while red states pay less and live off the federal teat.
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iemanja
(55,074 posts)The states that most subsidize the federal government also have relatively high state taxes, whereas the states that receive the most from the federal government tend to have no state income tax.
senseandsensibility
(20,516 posts)Still, it's the Dems' job to make this known and I'm hearing crickets. They just suck at offense I'm afraid.
Cha
(306,199 posts)💕California
TY and Yes they Do!
usonian
(15,173 posts)They may like blackmail conditions, but "money matters"
In fact, money is the only matter. All this maga bullshit is a cover for kleptocracy.
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Chemical Bill
(2,652 posts)can make large, tax deductible contributions to local charities. This keeps at least some of California's money from DC.
I just saw that Hollywood is pausing some film and TV shows right now. Many businesses will have less production and large rebuilding costs this year. Less profits equals lower taxes.
I know the tragedy outweighs this, but maybe DC will notice that less money is rolling in from LA.
Bill
Mr. Mustard 2023
(267 posts)political hay. "Okay Donald, then CA isn't sending our federal dollars if you won't use them to help us when in dire need."
Oh that'll get attention.
senseandsensibility
(20,516 posts)Why oh why won't Dems play hardball when they have such great material to work with? They get absolutely no credit for taking the high road.
Attilatheblond
(4,860 posts)Those folks have no idea what housing costs in CA.
This listing just came into my inbox: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/302-N-Montgomery-St-Ojai-CA-93023/16311045_zpid/?rtoken=6bbeda7b-0fbf-4364-a0fb-94aeb8a19d24~X1-ZUxk8shv7km5ft_8xo7u]
House in Ojai, Ca, which is in a valley just north (over the coastal foothills) from Ventura, CA. Like Altadena, this is an old farming community and many houses are old and not lavish at all. Yeah, there are some actual fancy houses and ranchetts in the Ojai, but this one, at over $1.5 million is petty average. 3beds 2baths 2,171sqft Single Family Residence Built in 1950 8,507 sqft lot $1,515,800 Zestimate® $713/sqft This house looks to include a 'guest house' which seems currently used for an in-home business.
Just a lil dose of reality to share with the folks who think 'Million Dollar Houses' are pretty damned fancy.
rasputin1952
(83,374 posts)MichMan
(13,784 posts)According to the data, the residents of Hawaii, California, Massachusetts, DC, and Maryland have the highest median incomes in the entire country. Based on that it would seem logical that taxpayers in those states would be contributing more to the treasury than residents of states with lower incomes.
Are we saying that wealthier taxpayers are now overtaxed ?
https://www.voronoiapp.com/economy/The-Median-Income-in-Every-State-Adjusted-for-Cost-of-Living-1585
Magoo48
(5,649 posts)Exp
(59 posts)MichMan
(13,784 posts)Exp
(59 posts)Blue States should then GET BACK 71 percent of THE DISCRETIONARY BUDGET. We do not. We are being ripped off by the Red States.
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/latest-federal-income-tax-data-2024/
Odd position to take, as our system isn't set up so those who pay more thus automatically get more.
Government expenditures aren't based on how much people pay in taxes. People are taxed according to their ability to pay their fair share. Should wealthy suburbs receive back their own tax money for themselves, instead of sharing it with neighboring lower income inner cities?
Exp
(59 posts)spending are at the bottom. And then they want the Bible in schools.
Tax the fucking churches, already.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,789 posts)The country needs to hear that CA saves the bacon of millions of Americans via our tax $$$.
Irish_Dem
(61,069 posts)He expects Newsom to pony up some cash like the billionaires are doing.
And wants Newsom to kiss the ring.